4K Contract
*cackles*
Slacker!
Good, good. I have a triple workload at work because my office's budget got cut a bunch, so I only have 3-4 hours a day to screw around on the internet at work, as opposed to the usual 6-7.
how's it going manni?
Well by later today, we won't even be able to post comments on any of the current logs. So hurry it up.
then post the damn logs
none random and they are eight now: 4 i had some very stupid reasons to kill, and other 4 were victims of quiauh's insanity.
stupid mother fucker, it is 'personal' groundhogs day, i mean. fucking shit?!?
It is fairly similar every time I punch the clown too, but that still remains enjoyable.
Thing is though, I'm only saying that because he got a private namechange...
Ugh. That's it Maelstrom, you just did it. I cannot take the repetitive and inane comments on this site anymore.
It's the same old mindless, stupid and pointless shit over and over.
The logs are the same.
The people are the same.
The things those people say to each other about the logs are the same.
You people are all stuck in your own person Groundhog Day hell.
Hey, why don't you comment with your namechanged alt?
These 6 kills burgul, were they all random or just most of them?
atleast i got suspended during a non pk month
we have logs but no comments. wtf!
Hi.
No shit man, what are you waiting for? We are all bored and need logs?
POST POST !
this pk has a funny thing!
Pfft, don't post PKs. They're the boring shit ever.
Go out and do funny things, or capture funny things that happen.
I'll post one... I've killed 6 people last boot, but the only worth posting was sirbobby's, lamest breaks ever! i'll colour and post it right after i get back from university!
you may aswell close the log page considering there are no logs anymore!
Uh-oh. Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays!
To be 100% honest? I have never thought of him as completely bad. In fact often times he's has good moments in the past and has been pretty decent. However... his choice of companions is HORRIBLE. Ravathir??? Herkies??? This 'barzel' character??? Are you fucking kidding me? If this is who you base your image on, holy fucking shit. Is this REALLY the people you want to look cool too??? I mean HOLY MOTHUR FURKING MONKEY POTATOE SHITE??! My god, its similiar to keeping a guild alive by inviting all the misfitting cheaters into it just so you can say a guild is still surviving instead of players you want to be in it and those who would make a good basis for many years to come. Rotfl, sorry, I had to scream at someone, I am having a bad day simply because its monday and I don't want to work. :)
I agree on most points with Barzel whoever he is, but i alsow understand the point of view that Pounder, Vermond and who else thinks something negative about Exhalev, said.
Exhalev is a very intelligent person with alot of potential but he tends to take himself (and the game) too seriously and as somebody said he can be Very emotional and it is than that he says things and does things in the heat of the moment, which he may or may not regret later, but if people see he him only in that light they tend to draw false conclusions.
Pounder is right that Exhalev has a huge ego, but alot of people do and that doesnt have to be a bad thing. I've had great conversations with him, and some great fights alsow. Ofcourse i saw things done by him that were for me totaly wrong and i didnt expect from him but hey: 'Let him who is without sin cast the first stone'...so all in all he isnt an angel but he is not the devil either. Let me alsow say that imho he is a great player and a great RPer but sadly his RP skills tend to drown in his thirst for blood...
My god, its hilarious how easy it is to get people here worked up over a paragraph of text. Especially on a game where only 5% of the players even want said people playing on the game. Maybe they are trying to force everyone to LOVE them. 'Maybe if we have enough wool for their eyes they will love us!' Hahahaha, fricken hilarious, shit I am glad I still read this place sometimes.
Unfortunately, Vermond is rediculously better at remembering things that he can torch Manni and friends with for being hypocritical, I am just too lazy to keep track of such things.
And really Barzel, I just wanted to know who you were and your response validated who almost immediately. I have never mentioned true alts in a public forum before. You can learn a shit-ton more from using related alts than who they actually are to find out who they are. :P
I was all for prohibition of talking about alt info of dead chars when I started moderating. It doesn't work. It can't work. We have too many oldies who pop in once in a while and whether we like it or not, they tend to talk about their long dead alts.
I'll ask Nicuramar to change that bit, but it will probably take 3 months.
Now listen, Manni. It looks like neither Barzel nor anyone else has a problem with this. You didn't seem to have a problem with it either when I didn't enforce it on you. If you have a problem with my moderation, or want a stricter enforcement of rules (which, amusingly enough, many people seem to hate), send a mail to Nicuramar.
If you have a problem with me and this is your way of taking out your bitterness, I'd like to remind you of another rule:
10. Troublemaking
There are countless ways to make life harder for the users and administrators of the log page. Recent examples were attempts to spam comments or post several logs in a short time (i.e. a few pages long in a day) attempting to get to top posters. Blackmailing, spam or any other kind of troublemaking will not be tolerated.
I have spent, and still spend, a good deal of effort trying to moderate this place and improve the rules such that no one ends up getting blocked for trivial reasons. However, I refuse to tolerate non-constructive bitching at me just for the sake of doing it.
Of course you can't, unless Vermond didn't like Barzel's other characters. The log page rules don't specify certain cases for dead characters like the MUD does.
You guys don't really know who barzel is? Mods, can i say it here since none of his known chars are existent anymore? Barzel, do you care if i say it here buddy? :P I'm still pissed you didn't tell me it was you.
Barzel = Aule?
Exhalev and I actually get a big laugh out of people thinking we're the same person. It's a source of endless amusement, so please continue griping about Exhalev talking about himself in 3rd person. It's better than the Sunday funny papers.
However, to fuel the rumors, here's something for you to chew on: I suicided to avoid a nuke for MP; Tulkas figured out the proxy I was using to play two characters at once.
'We do not allow any MP info on this page, whether it be direct or the subtlest of hints. This means that you are not allowed to point out or talk about alts on comments or post about them, even your own alts (although more toleration will be shown to goodbye logs).'
Just because Pounder doesn't know what he's talking about, that doesn't mean that he can just throw accusations out left and right. Like if I said Pounder was Smoky and nobody could prove that correct, would that be OK?
I talked to Exhalev, he says he is not Barzel.
And considering neither characters exist, it is fine. Just like the time you were talking about Hectan being nuked.
Isn't Pounder's comment MP? The moderation here is a joke.
im in da society!! wanna die ? no ? stop tlakin abt societty then!1
*BOW*
I would say the big difference is that Exhalev is the only person that feels the need to brag about being in The Society.
It's sick to care so much about what people think of you in an online game, and spending a conscious effort to improve it just makes you look lame.
FYI, Tevildo invented Jesus. Then disproved His existence. It was pretty badass, all around.
Also, post with a character that isn't actually suicided ok? Thanks.
Barzel, you shouldn't talk in the third perspective about yourself.
Wow, Pounder, wow.
Did you _miss_ the part where I mentioned that Exhalev had a founding hand in the Society? Were you _unaware_ that Exhalev was one of the core _members_ of the Society? Or is the idea that Exhalev was a part of something you admire simply too much for you to handle, so you just block it out and pretend it isn't true?
For that matter, what precisely do you actually know about Exhalev? What you've seen on the logpage? If the logpage is a full and complete account of a person's life, or even enough of one to make a judgment upon, you're a washed up never-was who was at best a mediocre PKer and at worst a loudmouthed whiny son of a bitch. Now, you know you're more than that, I know you're more than that, and everyone on the MUD knows you're more than that.
Exhalev has had no desire to seek out your company or really any interaction at all with you on the MUD principally because, frankly, you are very off-putting towards him. You talk shit about him without even bother to put forth an effort for show to try and know what the hell you're talking about; you basically follow the lynch crowd, pick up the pieces of shit they fling at Exhalev, then after a dutiful sniff you wing it at him yourself. There are a lot of people who dislike Exhalev for excellent, justifiable reasons. You, however, are not one of them.
Some advice you would do well to follow:
Parva leves capiunt animas; quaere verum.
The only difference is, Exhalev's 'Conquests' have always been about himself and how much his Ego could feed. His 'systems' have always been about power and control and nothing else is relevant. Not to mention, he couldn't care less what his actions do to the mud so long as he has a bunch of ball clingers like ravathir etc worshiping how good he is. Compare this to Koz's system. Koz picked a bunch of respectable (see != ravathir) players that treat their profession and what they do with respect. See half of what vermond says for what kind of people play within Koz's construct.
So bascially it goes:
Exhalev doesn't give a shit who he hangs with, as long as they hang on his balls and worship him and are loud about it (gang bangers and everyone else is welcome to join). He is the only important thing.
Koz is very selective about who he commissions. He goes to assassins that are actually good from experience and learning the game often on their own. They accept consequences of their actions and they are respectful of the game and their profession but also realize people need to die but not just randomly. (also, consider most of their kills are solo - ends of many does not justify the kill)
hurb suspended + durms banned + quinn hibernating = bad buis for log page :/
log page with no logs...
And Lobo, stop stealing my line you tool!
yeah, more logs!
So much blah blah blah.
And I agree with Hirgail, in a less, well blunt form :P
Also, Exhalev made up the word scrub, end of story.
'We don't need a reason to love, why would we need one to hate?'
Actually, Exhalev-worship is pretty much a religion.
If anything cool has been invented, it was invented by Exhalev. If any good changes were implemented, they were proposed by Exhalev. If there are any new styles of playerkilling, they were first demonstrated by Exhalev. If there is a resurgence in roleplaying, it is because of Exhalev. If Exhalev is in conflict with anyone, he must be right. If anyone hates Exhalev, that is because of jealousy and ignorance. And so it goes on..
Fortunately, it has only one follower. Exhalev himself.
Barzel, I think you have a better chance on converting ones religion.
Ok we need to start posting logs again.
Why the fuck did this end up being about Exhalev? Who the fuck is Barzel? WTF?
I thought I made that clear when I told you to get dressed and get out or I'd call the cops.
Does this mean you don't really care about my feelings for you Hirgy? :(
In the end it doesn't matter!
Stop talking about yourself in third person as though Exhalev is somehow a seperate entity with his own life and will.
It's creepy!
Just play the fucking game, who gives a flying fuck what people think about you on the internet?
...system, whatever.
Aginor, people who gave him a fair go and ended up disliking him are not the people to whom I was typing. There is a significant population who fit my description - people who had one bad experience with him, or heard about a friend having a bad experience with him, and decided to hate him. I'm pretty sure Pounder is woefully inadequately informed to take the positions he has in the past against Exhalev, for example. Those were the people to whom I was speaking.
As is the case with anyone, there will be those who give Exhalev a fair shake and walk away disliking him. Nobody can blame them; virtually nobody is universally liked.
With regards to the Society, Exhalev did indeed let his emotions get the best of him on occasion, but surely anyone will admit that simply because a person does a thing doesn`t mean they think that is how it ought to be done, or that it ought to be done at all. Exhalev had a hand in forming the Society; that should tell you that he at least nominally shared the values associated with that group.
But yes, through all that dialogue I agree in part with your view of the society. But I don't think I'd go as far to say that his PK's were along the same mindset as the Society's. Exhalev was too passionate in his pking, he always let his emotions get the best of him. The society i think is more emotionless, its all business.
I think your reading too much into it... People hated Exhalev for their own personal experiences with him or with friends of their experiences. Exhalev was friends with people with whom he respected, and people who counted him as a friend returned his respect. In the end, he had few friends, and many enemies. I dont think people ever dismissed him, or never gave him a go, i think it just came down to people seeing/experiencing his actions and making their own observations.
You can, but you ought not to. In no aspect of life will any of you find any topic, subject, or object with which you are completely content; nothing will be perfect. Thus, if you dismiss a thing or person on the basis of a single failing, or even a collection of failings without even granting a cursory examination of the wholeness of their character, you will end up dismissing the world and becoming bitter and hopeless.
Most of us will agree that judgments made arbitrarily are less desirable than judgments made on sounds bases; given that all people have failings, disliking one person for one or a few failings or aspects you dislike and not disliking another for the same is an arbitrary distinction. A reasonable alternative to arbitrarily assigning the title friend or foe to individuals is to take stock of their entire person, acknowledging that we are none of us perfect. For many of you, if you met your best friend under different circumstances, he could have been your worst enemy.
The point is that Exhalev was not a saint, but neither was he a devil. To automatically condemn him for differences between his approach the to game and yours without taking even a cursory attempt to examine his positive attributes defies any rules of fair play which you can devise.
The Society is an excellent example of an aspect of Exhalev's personality which most of you would not have even bothered discovering due to your mindless hate. Revile him for his faults if you will, but give him credit for his successes, and remember that you are not immaculate either.
Actually you can dislike someone based on whatever the fuck you want.
Barzel, you can dislike someone based on one or any flaw about their character. Exhalev has a lot of them and therefore many of us find him to a douchebag.
no, actually tulkas wants me to take a break i guess. we talked about some stuff. he told me to come back after the summer so we could talk about things or something
i was a bad boy :(
Why were you suspended, Hurb? Give me the story!
barzel, you shouldn't of suicided :(
The Society is functioning extremely well with a great deal of success as a clandestine system promoting targeted kills to increase playerkilling satisfaction and accountability in game. Pounder and Vermond both seem to agree.
Yet this system epitomizes the ideals to which Exhalev subscribed, and in fact was in part Exhalev's brainchild. It's ironic that when you are somehow able to view the fullness of Exhalev's character that you like what you see; if you could adopt this approach to begin with instead of foisting inappropriate and disproportionate amounts of hate on him for a small portion of his full character, maybe we all would have been just a little happier all along.
Remove the blinders, and look at people for what they are. Don't fixate on what you consider to be a few flaws and reject the entire person.
You cannot kill something that does not exist!
I think Manni is trying to compare The Society to the proxy clans some durm assassin alts made when he told them not to start trouble on their main chars. I think that's a bad analogy.
Firstly, I think quite a few of the members are freelancer assassins and actually their MAIN alts. They don't have to be throwaway chars because they don't kill randomly and start a lot of trouble. Most of them don't even retaliate to hitlist kills on them, and even if they did, it would be personal conflicts, since the society wouldn't bother getting involved (Heck, they'd probably do contracts on themselves - As I said, it is more like a broadcasting system than a group)
And anyone who knows about asymmetrical warfare knows that no powerful guild would bother eradicating them. If the society starts working as a group, it will be a few experienced assassins against a guild - The guild might eventually win, but its newbies will suffer a lot. The other option, whereby they retaliate per kill is much less troublesome.
Even if they did eradicate it, since it is just an idea and a rather profitable one, it will keep resurfacing.
I don't think there's a 'they'. I doubt think anyone other than Kozlodoev knows who the other members are. He's basically doing whatever a contract npc does with a better broadcasting system and hefty commissions for himself.
They also make an a lot of gold doing it, so fines arent toooo much of an issue.
They also dont go out and try to make like 10 kills a day, so fines stay reasonably low.
The Society also doesn't talk shit, or even put their names in the logs. And (I think) they are only doing actual contracts not random kills. So I think people take it less personally when they get killed.
None of these will happen because:
1) The guilds of 'society' main chars take too much heat because of kills made by their alts
- They actually don't broadcast their entire alt list to everyone, nor would most of them have any problem with most of the heat that the mud can generate.
2) A powerful guild decides they will kill anyone in the society
- There is no guild currently or within the last 1 year that could possibly have the skills to cause damage to the members of the society enough to cause them to disband.
3) Fines force out characters and nobody wants to fund new assassin alts for them
- These guys aren't stupid and don't rely on botting. They know and have been making gold for years and can level characters on their own very very quickly.
4) Aule nukes and hardbans all of you
- They don't cheat, don't lack any respect for the mud, aren't a bunch of wanna be gangsters, aren't commplete douche bags, and are trying to bring back respectability to the mud and killing systems (in short, they aren't what the recent incarnation of the durms were).
Then it may postpone its operations for a time... To resurface again later when the conditions are met. It's a system, not an organization.
I mean, it'll last until one of several things happen:
1) The guilds of 'society' main chars take too much heat because of kills made by their alts
2) A powerful guild decides they will kill anyone in the society
3) Fines force out characters and nobody wants to fund new assassin alts for them
4) Aule nukes and hardbans all of you
SO speakith the kozlodoev!
The Society will keep operating while there are at least a few skilled and mostly impartial typists willing to actually play assassins (kill for gold) and willing to do so in a professional manner.
Meh, this whole assassin clan thing has happened before. I guess the difference these days is that everyone has 4+ alts, so you can afford to throw one or two away in the assassin clan. High fines will wreck it in the end like they always do, though.
The Society is awesome. You want to see pretty logs, by all means.
But if uou want to see perfect kills and if you want to see assassins that know their shit earning their living without a lot of fluff. Look at Society logs.
L O L totally
Rotfl, Hurb died like a noob to the society. :P
No, equal it among the Riverlord! =D
Give it to me! I'm way better at mudsex than anyone and you know it!
Frankly, even if they unbanned me I wouldn't come back:P It would be nice to login and give away my vast fortune though!
hahahaha @ Thalus
Smoky can die ten times more and the outcome is still enjoyable. The self-proclaimed high IQ bitch should just learn to stfu.
Hirgail,we miss you and we hate Raigor with a passion.
what did you do this time hurb?
with me gone the log page is getting laaaaaaaame
psh whatever Hirgail. I don't like you anymore.
hahahahahaha. I'll not let you down, Hirgail! =D
Seriously Ulfanil. It's up to you to carry on the Riverlord name. Make me proud!
And Manni when Baitlia turns 18 she will be on her 3rd or 4th kid and will be too busy raising America's last, best hope in reclaiming America from the liberals.
Even when Baitalia turns 18??
wtf? seriously Hirgail?!
Never Norin. I'm hardbanned!
Hirgail when are you coming back?
Nice kill, and Smoky u can stop contracting me, I am not the one who has been contracting u, its Xafer, your not worth wasting gold on, if i wanted u dead, I would do it myself!
I hate to hate.
Who doesn't?
I love to hate.
haha, I love the hate.
Maybe if you didn't use of instead of have like an idiot you could have made a proper sentence. Seeing as how it's obvious which word to use.
Maybe if you didn't alias to rhos like an idiot, you could of broke. Seeing how thrands is closer.
where do you think I was going?
smoky, arent you the one who always tells people to learn a hunt break?
On second thought, can you use portals as huntbreaks?
booooooooooooooooooooooooring
Nice timing.