Karma, getting shafted by an accident. Say whatever pleases you, those that know not what actually went down! Regardless, this is my talk with Salmar. Watch him buckle under the barrage of hate and intimidation that was undoubtedly provided by the spiteful Osse! Unfortunately I lost my buffer of me talking to Salmar, Osse, and Mathias. It included a variety of hilarious content, such as the Powers totally ignoring my positive contributions to the game, labeling me a hardcore cheater without any real evidence, and Osse being called a douche! I hope this clears up whether or not Salmar told me I could still play, but then hardbanned me so he wouldn't lose his position as PoL. What strong convictions!
You're workin pretty hard on burning bridges lately Tres, don't make me slap you with my wang.
Mahamodie quit on a mate of mine. Never ever would've expected that from someone of his talent. Must be like the only person to ever solo Piotyr?
[new] Date: 01. Aug, 2008, 9:37:00 By: Aryl
What does unmatched really mean though sometimes? You are basically unmatched right now, and you're god awful.
hahaha.
If I never feared anyone in the game, does that make me good? lol
Aryl! I was telling you about Beroth last night on xbl =p
I really miss Mahamodie. *sigh*
What does unmatched really mean though sometimes? You are basically unmatched right now, and you're god awful.
Beroth is the only player I've really feared in this game. Mahamodie is awesome, and Sunem is the toughest opponent I've had. And Devon rocked. Getting a legend doesn't mean you are good. Still, even before he had a legend, Devon was unmatched at some point.
Wanna talk about mediocre and mention Devon as being good? Man, he was ok, but wasn't anything special. He got that legend because of his stupid oops i did it again thing. I loved his shooting Rendor full of holes as Carm by cheating his aim up to impossible levels so he couldn't miss, and he was a monster with his macros making gold, learnt lots from his old log page. But other than that, blech. Beroth, now he was the man. Same as Mahamodie. Same as Sunem.
And before anyone says it, he's heaps better than me, but I don't have people funneling whip and mels to me every boot :).
Well, Aryl was a good player. And a fun one to fight!
hey that's right, hazin. epic misfire.
take care, cruice
[new] Date: 29. Jul, 2008, 19:37:25 By: Ravathir
Aeldor, do you think your a good player?
It's 'you are'! damn herkies, they never learn anything.
Shardik, Esperian was Hazin, not me.
Fuck you Perry! I mean that in a good please come back and play way.
Wouldn't be surprising coming from that piece of shit. I'm surprised he's managed to stay in VC as long as he has.
Makes my adventures with Pingo that much funnier now.
Oh man, Girrick is those guys? Bahahaha
I'm pretty sure Esperian = Girrick/Bapel.
Esperian, Cruice.
No-one is calling him God. Not once.
What did we react Agsded? Your comment about Aryl is pretty silly, both you and i know that... I admit Aryl was a good player but that doesnt make him 'God'...
I share the same sentiments as Perry. Are you coming back to the game?! Bring some other old SoU folks like Thorgal and Gerney back too! Gerney still owes me some Dalamar's joints. ;(
When he was nuked Aryl was among the top 5 best PKers in Arda. This can be seen not only by his kills, but by how his enemies behaved when he's online. Him being good doesn't detract from your being good -- but claiming everyone who isn't on your team is horrible does. I don't mean to be getting down on you; I admire and respect you greatly, but that's just how it is.
whores. now i've got 'oops i did it again' playing in my head.
Aeldor, do you think your a good player?
You'll notice Aeldor, that I'm not the one complimenting myself here. Let go already man :)
Perry, Aryl is not a good player. Mediocre at best. Next he will say he's better than Devon because....he feels he knows how to!!!
Salmar told me I could still play, but then hardbanned me so he wouldn't lose his position as PoL. What strong convictions!
If I was in Salmars shoes, and had the choice of allowing you (or anyone) to continue playing and possibly lose POL -OR- follow the advice of others and continue on as POL...
*BOOM* kthnxbye.
You were a talented player. regardless of what anyone else says, you were good at towers. Your main downfall, in my eyes, is that you walk on the edge of whats legal, always looking for ways to step over the edge and get away with it. I knew several of your characters, however, and believe it or not, in most cases, I honestly didnt know it was one typist. ( ask anyone that knows me, I usually dont keep track of alts). The bad thing is, even though I didnt know it was the same typist...I cant say I ever trusted any of them. Even when we were on the same side...I always felt uneasy if I was in your party. My point is, you cant blame Salmar, you said it yourself, you have only your history to blame. and posting these logs, its almost as if you thrive on pissing people off, boasting of (possibly) being the most nuked typist ever.
Ive been playing this game for close to 10 years. You know what I am proud of? I have never been nuked. I have recieved 1 warning for profanity on the comm. I have made some real, lasting friends here. I admit, I dont have the talent at pkill, golding, and probably at any of the game dynamics you do, but I still manage to have fun here, most of the time. Some people say that the Admin is getting rid of all the good players...but in reality, these 'good' players are digging their own graves. It is possible to be talented and still abide by the rules (both social and technical), and not piss off 3/4 of the mud population.
Shardik I think you are mistaking me for someone else. I have never disguised a low level to kill newbies. What name are you thinking of that did this?
am dead serious, can you deny those facts?
Man lobo you are hilarious
The first time i met ravathir he was trying to random kill some sniffer alt of mine, and when he realized i was leaving every quest camoed he did: do 40tell loboAlt PUSSY!
The first time I met Cruice he was trying to convince newbies to duel. Disguised as level 5, he was hunting down, killing, and then reporting them for attempted murder. Was this nuke excessive? Probably. Did he deserve it? Most definitely.
Hirgail he does, and Azrim and Rav couldn't party because they party on different alts. Well had partied.....
You might have a point about Cruice.. oh well, I guess if you're not welcome, you're not welcome...
I can't actually think of anyone who's been more badly shafted than Cruice since Warrax passed tainted gold to a bunch of people (they didn't know it was tainted) and the Admins nuked every single one of them. An act that (I think) pushed some really old and famous players off the MUD for good.
The poor guy, he really is decent and has never done anything worse than having friends that people don't like.
Oh, and in the proud tradition of utterly ridiculous warnings, I think we have a new one to place in the top 10.
Apparently Jerf has an MP warning for partying with the same people on different alts...
Something 99% of us are 'guilty' of.
Well, i remember that i quitted once on falling from cliff maybe it was in that case,it was ages ago, but that surely wasn't 'a number of times'
I would have been your friend. :(
Adanethel I have been trying to be your friend as well, but don't deny that after I killed one of your alts in mordor. You revived at the priest and I was hunting you trying to stab you, waiting for the 2 minute cool down. You jumped off the cliff and quit mid jump. I fell to the ground left to heal and you logged back in and left. If you don't remember that, than you have some memory loss.
I spoke too soon, it appears.
Hate to say it man, but your dialouge in this log seemed completely fake. Not fake in the sense that you just happened to make it all up, but fake like you were acting a part. We ever gonna see the real you, man? :P
Aryl's friends: omgz u guyz rok no 1 can nuke u!
Other people: omfg pwned noob!
What a complete waste of hard drive in the logpage server. :P
Many people have killed me. He only killed me cause he was in Ravathir's party. He is all talk, he's nowhere near good.
I totally disagree with Aeldor in this point, people would think better about him if he kept him mouth SHUT, but he wouldnt go further than being a defensive player or a good leader of bangs... He knew the way he was playing, saying he sucks make you suck too because he killed you :) me too...
Fdl, Aryl still thinks he's good at this game. Come on:) If he had his mouth shut, nobody would've ever heard about him. People like him existing might convince me that the death penalty is actually justified.
1.I kind of knew of that bug before that whole shit happened, i knew that quitting while falling will not take your damage and you will logon back down there.
2. am i only one who finds that log as one of best tidbits ever?
3. Agsded, i've been trying to be friendly towards Anubis cause i believed that he was marked as cunt cause of Ravathir, now i see he's full of shit as well, i have NEVER disconnected while i was falling from that cliff, i actually been testing it and falled from every cliff which is there... like 16cliffs or something.
Yes, the list of nuked names still exists.
You are an idiot, so thats normal you dont think like me...
1.) If it's that bad of a log you would have stopped reading. ...if this isn't the case, some time I should post, like, a weeks worth of buffer as a log and see how many people are silly enough to actually read all of it.
2.) It's worth pointing out that there are 3 varieties of questionable tactics: a) It wasn't meant to be used that way, but it's totally ok (Using the bridge guards at a certain town to kill someone), b) It wasn't meant to be used that way, it's going to be changed, but nobody will get in trouble for using it before it is changed (mt glass), and c) It's not meant to be used that way and you will be warned or nuked for using it. I've intuitively distinguished between them in the past well enough to never have even been spoken to by an Ainu for anything resembling bug abuse, but recently I've been trying to form a set of rules, a key if you will, to establish what falls into which category.
I wasn't able to.
I actually figured out a neat trick which essentially allows you to bypass a certain combat restriction and can be used to kill a party dead almost instantly. I haven't tried it, but I mentioned it to an Ainu (I won't say which one, but it was OL+) and the Ainu in question did not identify it as a bug, did not tell me not to do it, and said it was 'interesting.' Will it get changed? With the admins' attitude towards terrain advantages right now, probably. Would I get nuked, warned, or talked to for using it? Probably not. Based on its nature and my generally good intuition for these matters, I'm pretty sure it'd be permitted until it was changed (the b option).
Keep in mind that cliffing a person at all is in fact on the chopping block.
Something else worth mentioning: Anubis told me that Adanethel had actually used this exact trick (dcing at cliffs to avoid damage) _on him_ a number of times. Anubis figured it was a feature, and as such did not report it. (After all, who in all the years it's been around has reported MT glass as a bug? But it was just declared to be one...) Anubis' credibility with many of you isn't so great. Knowing Anubis and knowing Adanethel as I do (I've known both of them in both the role of friend and enemy for some years now) I think I believe Anubis.
Draw your own conclusions. I don't think anybody made ideal decisions when their turn to make choices came up, and I think we're in a substantially less than idea situation presently, but we have to live with decisions as they are made and move on.
Horrible log, i really forced myself to reach to the end...
*Drops football*, damn it Xaron, horrible pass!
It was part of my thing with Osse, nothing else. No one ever knows anything unless you confirm it, that's what you have to work on.
Aryl, just one word of advice, don't try to deny who you are when it's already a well-known fact who you are :P It just looks really lame like when whatever the fuck Dighi's latest char was trying to deny it was him for the longest time, but everyone already knew it was him.
get over it dude. get a life and move on.
By the way, Aryl really was telling everybody /including me/ that he is namechanged from Exhalev. Also, I didn't know about the disconnect bug. So Aryl very well might not have known about it.
This'll probably sound weird coming from me, but whatever:
As a member of the 'community' I disagree with Sean being hardbanned, and I also disagree with the nukings, UNLESS all three people (all only allowed one alt as is) already had enough warnings to warrant nuking. That said, I don't think any of the three had warnings on those characters (aside from possibly Ravathir), and they're also only permitted the one character, so warnings will easily stack up if they're fucking around. Let's face it, in general, there are such things as warnings, in part, to temper harsh or potentially unfair or incorrect judgement: to eliminate the 'accidental' case, if you will.
Sadly though, my opinion is just one amongst many, and its definitely not an opinion that matters any.
The three individuals in question were ultimately (I feel) victimized in part for the antagonistic role they all have played on the game (they played it well too), as well as the fact that the type of game they play is a very public one. It's a type of game that always that encourages the pursuit of an edge, where tactics are very easily criticized/evaluated. You all know this. There's definitely a lot of history that figures in too: some a result of previous transgression, most the result of antagonism and the 'public opinion' that was consequentially constructed and reconstructed by that antagonism.
To me, honestly, the group-disconnect at the bridge doesn't look good. That's very straight-forward.
All three bridge-jumpers could have been warned, and the tactic immediately declared bug-abuse: that would diffuse the, 'I didn't know,' argument. But is it even bug abuse? How many people have disconnected inside Mordor gates? Is that different than saving, and quitting (after failure) at Aiglos or Whip? Is that bug abuse? Is it bug abuse only when used to gain unfair advantage over other players?
Solution: declare it bug abuse, amend the bug-abuse helpfile to include a statement about abusing game-features for unfair advantages of some sort, and police it from there. The disconnect wasn't the abuse of a bug, and doesn't differ much at all from tactics regularly deployed by most of the power-player-playerbase (i.e. Aiglos quest). How were they to know this incident would be interpreted differently, even if it was done completely intentionally (a position I don't think they've taken anyway)?
It seems to me that Aryl has been violently punished for playing on the edge of the rules. Not for crossing over the line, not for breaking rules, but for pushing them. I don't know where things change from the point where rules should evolve, to the point where people's attitudes should evolve. Does the message in all of this follow the latter?
Anyway, I have to apologize for being an armchair quarterback on this one, but again, I don't agree that this was necessary. And Anubis shouldn't have been nuked (or even warned), given the dialouge in Aryl's log of Fyng and Salmar talking. I also realize that the role of volunteer admin here is one where you'll never, ever keep everyone happy, and I don't envy that position at all. Hopefully you'll forgive my criticism here.
In any case, Sean, I'll miss ya. Hopefully you'll be permitted to return sometime soon. Hopefully you choose to play something other than an assassin too: your non-assassins seem to last a lot longer :p
I think ravathir made that tell up just to screw aryl, but being so bright as only he is, he actually gave him gold and got himself nuked.
We need that list of all the nuked players in the mud's history. Wonder if anyone still has a copy of it...
Maybe on the technicality that I've had a bunch of lowlevel namesake characters nuked, but I'm well past 25 now. Just for reference :(
You're nowhere near nuked as many times as Marthaon was.
That's not it at all Miroth, I was just saying that I'm not some mindless selfish hurtful asshole. Chill!
Fucking emo.
thanks for wasting 20 minutes of my time forcing me to read you legending people and who'ing over and over.
as far as the rest, dude, you are so full of shit. you put any contribution you've made in this game above the efforts of others. and believe me, there are hundreds who have done more for this game that you have ever thought of doing. i especially like you trying to headshrink salmar. 'I've betrayed everyone's trust, I've broken rules and taken down my friends with me. I've suffered so much.' What's sad is that he fell for it. Please. Get a grip.
God damn you're so full of yourself.
Cheating (as I feel the general mud community sees it) - Being better than someone, playing a different way or a different style that they don't like, being disruptive to their play style, while not actually doing anything wrong. What'd I miss?
Haha, they are afraid the players don't think they take rule-breaking seriously? Hell they take everything else so seriously, why would they go easy on rule-breaking? I mean, they hard banned Manni and he didn't even break any rules.
Only thing I editted was revealing about 10 alts to Salmar before Valurin and between Valurin and Faelri.