So, am I gathering that Manni is being let back? Great.
Is Hirgail still hardbanned? Because, really, if that's the case, this place is more fucked up than even -I- thought...
you guys are fucking weird.
The funny thing about this is that anyone else could gainfully apologize, as it would at least show that they're trying to appear reformed. Manni's 'crime' was to be a propagandist; this log cannot be taken into consideration because of the possibility that it's a continuation of that crime. But he--and neither of the others--made the effort.
Well, it's funny in a cosmic sense.
Your mom could take it.
As it turns out, the average human penis weighs 4 ounces, which is 1/4 lbs. In contrast, the average elephant penis weighs 40 kilos.
If not you screeching at me naked from the waist down, wearing the rabbit mask from Donnie Darko and pouring horse blood all over Aeldor's hairy chest, then me putting you in a dress and bending you over the table...
If not Kaylyne, me screeching at you naked from the waist down, wearing the rabbit mask from Donnie Darko and pouring horse blood all over Aeldor's hairy chest.
Or, if not science, then Kaylyne...
Someone find out for me, because I want to know if based on studies, if it's fat or flat.
It seems pretty big but I must not trust me own anecdotal evidence, I must submit to science!
And I'll bet a good part of the weight is the blood.
Kinda hard to weigh a dick, don't you think?
I mean, you'd have to...cut it off to tell, no?
The internet will only tell me about length:(
That was the most original comeback I've ever seen.
He doesn't have a fat quarter pounder like you! By the way I have no idea if that's a compliment or an insult, I have no idea what the average dick weights. Let's see what the internet tells me!
This happens to Trempk, he can't help it, its some lack of something or other. Maybe a cock.
Oops
Trempk just killed the mood.
Just like a lot of the people here, you weren't 100% sure who did what because you didn't care. All you knew was that they were durms, some of them cheated, and you hated them, so they should all go bye-bye.
Good to see you joining the 'Manni ball huggers' club though. Of course, I'm not sure if you still think that is an appropriate label considering it was part of your initial opinion of Manni and his situation; an opinion that was completely uninformed and ignorant. :D
And we don't even need to touch penises.
Pounder Kaylyne and I just made a deal if we get married that you could get in on!
Dear Pounder,
Yes.
Love,
Kaylyne
Hi Kaylyne, do you wanna make out? Just kidding. Unless you want to. Ok bie.
Anyways, Hie Hirgail and Kaylyne for real.
Hi Hirgail! Missed you! I missed Pounder too. <3
Hello Kaylyne! Hi!
And thats why I said I wasn't 100% sure who did what because everyone and their mom had a different story. If you didn't have anything to do with the code spewwing, I have no issue whatsoever with having you back in the game. Granted until the fake durms I didn't know much about you, but everyone needs someone to help slant the situation for them sometimes! :)
Hello everyone! Hello!
Saying I disagree are hardly the same as rooting on.
My statement from back then:
'On releasing the MUD code, I entirely disagree with Mute's decision to host it.'
Then Manni probably wouldn't be too bad to let back in.
Any really Trempk, talking about things you know about? You are one of the more clueless morons that don't do shit on the towers, but I will call you naked pussy troll (because that is all you ever do here afterall). :)
Exley, the victimless crime is a myth; find me a rule you can violate that harms nobody, and I'll explain how it hurts people :P
Examples:
Gold bug abuse: Fucks up the gold economy.
Char sharing: Allows one person to benefit equally from another's work without taking away from the other; also fucks up the gold economy, among other things.
Idle triggering: Increases age, decreases fines. Also detracts from people like Pounder whose age is the product of _actually playing_.
Sean has counterarguments for 1 or 2 examples (using multiple characters in pursuit of a common goal, for example), and while I'm unable to convince him that I'm right, I don't find his counterarguments as compelling as my argument on the subject.
My understanding of the situation (which is not complete) was that Manni got nuked for being the symbolic leader of the group, and the continued site ban was the product of rooting for DW/Delkin/Mute with their 'treason'. While I agree that cheering for the bad guys is in bad taste, it's certainly not a crime on par with the action in question.
by personal crimes i think pounder meant crimes against a person.
in Brazil, the worst would be extortion by kidnapping followed by death
First of all, what's so bad about sharing a character? Seriously, what's the justification for making it against the rules?
Secondly, according the US law as I understand it, treason is the worst crime a person can commit, Pounder. (For the record, I think that's a better analogy than the 8-year-old murder/rape bit. :P)
I think what needs to be examined here is how Manni's cheating or whatever affected the other players. Did he do permanent or severe harm to other players, or did he merely use his powers to enhance himself or his friends at no one else's expense? That's generally the basis for all laws and rules, and his punishment should follow proportionately.
Mute had and still has total control over the websites we used, with Delkin having control of durm.com. The extended ban was a result of me being Mute's friend IRL.
Also, maybe you should stay out of the argument if you have no clue of what you're talking about. Good idea, hmm?
Mute spread the code. Manni just refused to turn Mute's RL info in to Aule when he went apeshit. From my understanding anyway.
Let me ask you something Koz, because honestly I didn't care once they were gone for good, (or someone else who can honestly answer this question), was Manni at all part of the spreading of the code for the towers? Maybe I confused Mute with him because they have similiar names and were of the same cess pool at the time.
Well, obviously I don't think the ban should be permanent, since I clearly stated that I'd like to see Manni back (unlike Mute). I think we are really talking about different things - for you a hardban is 'You cannot fucking ever come back to the game, ya hear' and I always saw it as something that can be appealed and cancelled, as should happen now. Thats why I was viewing it as a temporary ban, - a time away from the MUD which I think was warranted until the raging emotions have calmed down. Guess we have nothing to argue after all.
That was strange Pounder. But ok.
For any of you asking for Manni back, consider this, if someone rapes and brutally murders an 8 year old (one of the worst personal crimes you can do in the US), and that person is facing the death sentence, should we forgive him and let him return to society so he can show what he would do differently? (Like maybe place the arm inside a fridge this time like Dahmer?) In my opinion, the admin should consider Manni on death row and treat it as such. But I know for a fact someone will try to argue with this because they are Manni ball huggers.
Its not like punishments haven't been repealed or as Agsded said here, they weren't enacting a temporary ban. But upon revealing a good deal of game code to the public, that honestly warrants a perm ban. No amount of whining/arguing/saying sorry should ever even allow such an infraction to not warrant the highest punishment dealt. I personally never minded Manni until that point (sure durms were bad but he himself was just annoying and hilarious at times when trying to defend their actions), but after that point there's no going back, I hope they site ban him whenever he shows up, Period.
The initial ban was not supposed to be permanent. Valinor said, if I recall right, that it'd be lifted in a week or two, they just wanted to make the point that he wasn't going to be back in action 2 hours after the nuke... or something like that.
I'm arguing about the initial banning punishment, not the fact that he was punished. I could argue about that too, but I'm not going to. Anything that happened after the fact (Mute releasing the code, etc.) is irrelevant to this argument.
Permanently banning someone from the game is the most severe punishment they have. If someone goes to prison for the rest of their life, IRL, they aren't allowed out just by saying they're sorry. That said, you don't put people in jail for the rest of their lives unless it's for the most serious crimes. Most serious crime = most serious punishment. That's how it is supposed to work. He didn't deserve it because his crimes weren't serious enough.
First you said, 'Who said the punishment was uncalled for and extreme giving the attitude of Manni when the nukes happened?' which implied that you disagreed with that statement. Now you've backpedaled a little on that and said you're 'not so sure' if he should have been banned. If you don't think he should have been banned permanently, then you shouldn't be arguing with me.
[new] Date: 09. Sep, 2008, 14:15:57 By: Lobo
yeah, it must have been valinor's fault mute uploaded the code and made it available for download.
Valinor is also to blame for they accepted herkies in the guild. And let's not forget Mute sharing chars with Slugz, and Nildnab switching chars every month to deposit huge amounts of gold, and Evendim questing lbc, selling at durm's shop, logging on delkin and buying it. And various other things... All valinor's fault.
Btw guys, if someone commits a crime, you witness and remain silent about it you are committing no crime... But if you lie to cover this guy, friends or not, it is a crime. It was his choice.
haha. do you have any idea how many people have played slugz' char? i've spoken to people i knew on that char for years, never was it the same person. the char has been a shared account for at least 5 years.
I don't know shit about this, but like any good uninformed bystander, I'm going to throw my two cents in.
wtf
I hope you all agree.
I agree 100% with Mordhred for the first time in a long time. Love is in the air!
all this stuff is 6 months past, so it's not really relevant to dredge it back up.
but nildnab, if you're lurking, how many of your characters did i reject and how many did i accept? just rounded figures are OK. my guess is 8 and 0.
yeah, it must have been valinor's fault mute uploaded the code and made it available for download.
Valinor is also to blame for they accepted herkies in the guild. And let's not forget Mute sharing chars with Slugz, and Nildnab switching chars every month to deposit huge amounts of gold, and Evendim questing lbc, selling at durm's shop, logging on delkin and buying it. And various other things... All valinor's fault.
Btw guys, if someone commits a crime, you witness and remain silent about it you are committing no crime... But if you lie to cover this guy, friends or not, it is a crime. It was his choice.
Oh yeah, just so you know, I believe that the fact Durms ended as they did is disgusting, and is completely Valinor's fault, and I, personally, lay the fault at Tulkas' feet, who was the PoL during most of the Durms' time.
Trempk, don't put words in my mouth.
I have _never_ and will _never_ turn on my friends in that manner. I do, however, ask them not to involve me if they do cheat. But for my example? Yeah, I believe if I, with full knowledge, use my friends' cheating for my personal advantage I am as guilty as that friend.
In the case of Durms, the guild as a whole was using the cheating of a few big names to advance the guild, and Manni was certainly the one responsible for the direction Durmanhoth was following. The nuke was certainly justified. The hardban - not so sure, but I think it had A LOT to do with the fact that Manni was actively telling everyone position that there was nothing whatsoever wrong with his behavior, or with the way Durms were, and how he beat the game, and that Mute had the perfect right to release the code. Should he have been allowed to play with that attitude? I am not sure, it seems some time away from the game did a lot of good.
Actually, I'd like to ask Manni:
Was your nuke justified? Was the hardban justified?
They don't really need to justify anything. They'll ban and nuke you for whatever reason they want or no reason at all. You can't do anything about it. And the worst thing is you're addicted and will keep coming back regardless. And so will your friends. Mwahahahaha
As I understand it, Manni was supposed to be banned for... like... a week or something, but the ban never came down because of something to do with Mute talking about hosting a copy of the mud. I spoke with a few powers when it happened, and essentially the result was that Valinor understood and sympathized with my position (that Manni should not have been nuked) but did not agree with it (they felt that the idea of the Durmanhoth was what they wanted to annihilate, and that Manni as the figurehead was to intimately linked with it to be allowed to stick around). In hindsight, the punishment was not fair, but it seems to have been relatively effective.
As for 'against the spirit of the mud' -- First, I spoke to Valinor about this (like many at the time), and I felt strongly that they should have also included a list of actual rules that were broken (such as in a link that they could append to the nuke reason) as Delkin and Mute had broken _many_. The nuke reason was meant to encapsulate that not only were the individuals cheating, they were also persistently acting in a way that was very seriously detrimental to the overall health of the game. So Trempk, I think the nuke reason certainly was justified (in at the very least Mute/Delkin's case), but that it needed further clarification (which Valinor offered on the comm or in tells sometimes, but were reticent to put on a webpage, gossiper post, news item, etc.
If someone does something to deserve being banned from the game, they probably shouldn't be allowed back even if they say they're sorry. Why? Because banning someone should only be used for the most serious offenses, not because the guy didn't rat out his friends.
Of course he should be allowed to come back, but not because he says he's sorry, but because he shouldn't have been banned in the first place.
If my guild members were cheating I'd tell them to stop. I wouldn't go around assuring everybody they weren't cheating and covering for them. And if I was GM I'd certainly kick them out after 1 warning. But I guess you and I differ there Trempk. I don't think there is anything odd about banning somebody for a while, and then letting them come back 6 months later when they admit they fucked up.
It was obviously an uncalled for punishment. 'Against the spirit of the mud'? What a joke; and an even bigger joke that some of you still defend it.
So if one of your friends is cheating and you don't report it, you deserve to get perma-banned from the game. Real fair, Koz, real fair. I certainly hope you wouldn't be the first one to turn on your 'friends'.
Manni!
It's sucked not having you around, I have to say. I know that I will welcome you back with open arms if you feel you want to play again.
And at Myrddin comment of 'creating a guild that dedicated itself to teaching members how to cheat', that is incorrect.
I was part of the Durmanhoth, and no one in the guild EVER offered to teach me how to cheat or bot or anything. Members there did it, members were taught to do it, but they asked how to do it. It isn't like we had a board post saying 'Want to earn huge cash? Want to pwn everyone? Contact Delkin!'.
What some of the members of Durmanhoth did (You have to remember, in a guild of >80 members, only a small percentage of them were actually violating the rules. Many, like myself, were there having a lot of fun with people who were extremely cool to be around) was wrong. The problem was that it was the 'leadership' who were violating the rules. If it had only been low ranked members, the members would probably have just been nuked, and the guild left to go on.
Anyway, Manni. I've been wanting to get in contact with you ever since the deletion. Send me a tell if you ever get back on t2t :)
~Rau
Hirgail, you search so valiantly for reason and justice that don't exist. You're so cute :)
When you come back, Manni, give me a shout and I'll toss you some gold if you want it.
I think they intended to reinstate him in a few days or so before he started supporting Mute's actions regarding the code.
Thanks for the support, guys. I was operating in a lot of gray areas before the initial nuke and then Mute did the code thing and then everything got kinda fucked. I still disagree with the way a lot of the whole situation was handled, but I certainly have no lingering animosity about it.
If I do end up playing again, it'll be in the less serious, more casual and friendly, less political, more care-free style that I played with before the last 2 years.
Well, guilty of what? There's a reason being an accessory to murder is punished differently to murder.
I really have no idea exactly what he's supposed to have done. We assume he knew and encouraged the cheated but I haven't seen anything to demonstrate that. Does anyone know what exactly got him nailed?
I just don't see the reasoning behind the hard ban.
It's a trick!
Koz pks alone.
Here's my view of the situation:
Just as players are competing with each other for uniques, in PK, in questing, so are the guilds competing in the field of politics (war, recruitment, etc). Durms was a very successful guild. However, it's success was, at least in part based on cheating (most of the big names in Durms participated in some form), botting, mping, stolen code, etc. It is also a fact that Manni knew of this (there was some message from the Durm forums leaked about char sharing for one example, if I remember correctly). But Manni, as the leader of Durmanhoth instead of stopping this behavior, chose to use it to gain advantages for the guild as a whole. Therefore, he is responsible.
An analogy:
I am leading a 2man on a PK. My support warrior had his skills set to 500 by his ainur alt. I know of this, but I still take him on a kill. Am I guilty?
He created a guild which then dedicated itself to teaching new players how to cheat, abuse, bot, etc. and didn't intercede when this happened.
I'm pretty sure something along those lines was the reason. I'm not saying I agree with it or think it's a legitimate hardban reason, I didn't even think at the time Manni deserved the same punishment as Mute/Delkin. but I think Kozlodoev makes a relevant point.
[new] Date: 08. Sep, 2008, 14:00:02 By: Hirgail
I disagree Koz. Don't you think it's fucked up to be punished for an attitude rather than...oh...I dunno...a crime?
Thoughtcrime!
Well im guessing here :) I didn't care or try to follow the whole durm shit.
See, that's my point. The best answer anyone can give is 'I think he knew or should have known that some people were cheating and didn't tell the ainur'
I guess it was because he was harboring cheaters and trying to cover up/Deny that they where cheating or something. I didn't really care about the whole deal, suspend him for a month but nuke/ban i thought was abit harsh. *Shrug*
Well, I paid pretty close attention when it happened and I still have no clue what it is that Manni was supposed to have done.
Someone care to fill me in?
But that's just my opinion of the situation.
I didn't say that, Hirgail. I think there was a crime, but that was already much discussed. I think this log shows that Manni also thinks he did some wrong. The thing I was talking about is that there's no contradiction in allowing a person with a 'criminal record' who, at least in words, is genuinely sorry for his acts back into society, and at the same time feeling different if said 'criminal' says things like 'So I fucking did it. Who cares. You are just jealous that you couldn't do the same. Now let me play.' At the time of the nukes it was the second scenario with Manni. Now it's the first.
I disagree Koz. Don't you think it's fucked up to be punished for an attitude rather than...oh...I dunno...a crime?
I say.. Lucky you a bitch and Lobo, did you get your shit pushed up but a herk or something?
'Dont look at me puppet!'
Who said the punishment was uncalled for and extreme giving the attitude of Manni when the nukes happened? Now Manni's attitude seems to have changed, so, in my opinion, he should get a chance. If he came back with that same 'we beat the game, there was no cheating in durms, you just got pwned, I sympathize with Mute's decision for code release' attitude that DW is so accurately portraying I am not sure I'd feel the same.
People are irrational dicks Trempk, you know this:P
That's funny. A lot of you guys couldn't wait for him to be banned back when this shit happened. Now he deserves to be allowed to play again? lol. I didn't see many of you standing up for him against an obviously uncalled for and extreme punishment when it went down.
Rhakyrh, while you are busy playing in la-la land and typign even more 0's to my iteration list, your buddies are begging more and more people for information that they haven't earned.
Must be nice to be created into a decent player through everybody else's hard work.
And about the Durms thing, yeah they may have cheated or bugged abused or blah whatever. But what D-walker said was true.
BkD warred Durms so many times, and to be honest I also found myself annoyed to what they were doing.(or what people claimed that they did) But that's how they played, that's how they enjoyed this game. Can I stop that ? No! What can I do? Well, I did my own thing.
We can't go on and say blah blah so unfair such cheaters forever can we? We have to do something bout it.
Sup D-walker! Haha You know what? Let's all go to that mume.org mud thing and invite all of em to t2t :P Place em all in a guild and keel em all in the long run... Let's be 'MUDist' :P
Our MUD's better than yerz... ZOMG NO! Our's is better! Die die die!!
Or we could go to their's and do the same thing. @_@ Super bored.
Manni's the man, and Daywalker's comment was perfect. I miss your humour man. This game is ridiculous, Lucky's 100000000000th iteration of mocking Herkimer just goes to prove it. Greg and Jamie, don't linger! Get the fuck out of here, you're above this shit :P
Bring Manni back as an ainu! He is better at that job :)
I don't really think Manni did anything wrong in all the Durm stuff, apart from sit back and let his guild be taken over by idiots. Anyone would defend thier guild and its members in the manner he did, I just think he should've been more observant to what was going on in his guild. Let him back!
Foraker, you are acting against the spirit of the mud!
I liked Manni but I hated his actions. Durms are long gone; he should be allowed back.
i liked him better before he caved in to the stupidity of the current admin
I wish Manni would come back. This game needs players of his calibre.
I went there, asked for a client on comm. They told me they hadnt any, and I should ask for help on the forums. Then I asked if Manni was around, nobody answered. :( I don't think they got the joke.
I feel so dirty after that.
Hell new MUd, i am from Herkimer LOLZ! can i blow you for a klient now?!
awesome! thanks! LOLZ
SAFOOMA SKR-HUB
I bet if herks went to that game they would suck fucking ass because they have no skill. Think I am bitter, have them go there and prove it.
Sup, Jewbal :)
haha @ Lobo! The herk-hate continues...
Too busy irl to play this game (t2t) :( Or I just don't like playing anymore :P Anyways, I'm just talking to Lobo and to anyone who cares. Bye!
Yay to jubal! Let's send herkies there!
No, Its not mutalator the durm founding father they are speaking about.
Cool, is this 'MUTE' guy you all speak of the original durm from the mid 90s? Love to see the old schoolers still kicking up dust.
-P.O.Sauer.Kraut
I know this is off topic, but have you guys heard of mume.org? I was shocked when my friend sent me the link... haha another t2t-like mud game. @_@
I miss Fyng, mes got no more questing or partner in crime now. *sobs
Meh, I wish I hadn't ever bothered checking this site. The same douchebags that have made it impossible for the real crowd (the ones that would give arda a chance to turn around) are still playing and think they are 'the shit'. Has anyone seen kharash online lately? Just curious, its an honest question.
Best comment so far: Grozin's.
and that's the spirit, Jasumin. Mold your reality for your own amusement, even if it's proved you're wrong you can always doublethink and choose to believe what amuses you most.
I'm going to assume that the reason you're moving is the siteban. Why? Because it amuses me.
The 'it's just a game' argument doesn't really make much sense. Not everybody is so indifferent to something they've spent countless hours on. You hear this argument all over the internet when somebody overreacts to something or gets caught cheating, as if it's excuse enough for going against the rules and ruining the fun of others.
Cheating at trivia though, that's inexcusable
Not really, you're cheating others...
unless its a card game with real money, aint no big deal to cheat at monopoly either :p you're only cheating youreslf when yo do it!
Jezus Hirgail cool it man its just a text game
Why do people keep saying 'It's a text game!'?
Are there people here that don't know that?
Does saying it's a text game make things different than if it were a board game or a drinking game or a video game?
The whole thing is pointless.
You're on notice - stop using it.
I want Manni to return and you know what?
Its a goddamned text game. Big fucking deal if someone cheated.
Fix the bugs and move on.
Trempk, maybe he doesn't want to play as an outcast where he as to hide his identity. Duh. I'm just saying what I think, I don't see how my comments sound bitter or hateful. Compare them to Daywalker's.
I don't think we'll ever find out if he's sincere or not, but he should be allowed to play anyways - I think he's had enough of a punishment for the Durmanhoth episode and is unlikely to cheat in any way (speaking of which, we usually allow chronic cheaters that are much worse than Manni to return.). Given those two conditions, even if he's not sincere, he has the right to an opinion.
I have seen no harm from Manni, we havent had a chance to talk either but in truth, being with them makes him bad, his legend explains everything...
Durmanhoth was the best guild that their members ever had.... Was it a losers' club?
Would be fun to see ol' Manni around again.
Hi Manni! You stole a VoV of mine!
Bye Manni!
let's argue instead about the future of the mud.
wait, what future :P
I forgot about the option of blocking comments on a log... This probably would've been a decent one to do that for. There's no point in turning this into an argument about the past.
Dvalin!
Hey Manni :D
haha. daywalker was in durms? that's a riot. what's he complaining about? daywalker should be used to cheating and getting nuked by now. it's not like it's something new to him.
I agree with daywalker in some points, it was indeed a great place, a nice harmony there, Manni was indeed a great guy, mute too, and delkin was a 'very nice guy' (to talk to, at least), but the last two were compulsive cheaters.
Their biggest mistake was to bring herkies in. Mute and Delkin could have kept cheating, multiplaying in any degree they ever did if herkies were kept out. By allowing 'em to enter, stupidity spread across the halls and the guild itself got nildnabed as we all know.
That's what Manni wants you to think, Trempk. Don't be so silly.
Lol, he's right. Why would he even post this if he wasn't sincere about it? Nobody else knew he was moving. In fact, if he wants to start playing again, this was one of the dumbest things he could have done because people will be looking for him now. I see that some people are still so bitter about it that they'll suspend logic in order to see things the way they want to see them.
But I like Manni :( he was a cute little hobbit.
There's no a whole lot of practicality in making this apology, given the timing. So that's why I did it now.
Wow Daywalker, that was the dumbest fucking comment you've ever made.
And all those 'wonderful' people you mention did their best to turn this game into shit for everyone except their own group, and some also tried to harm it after they got kicked, you included. Remember your enthusiasm at trying to run a parallel copy? I really hope Manni's log is sincere. And if it is sincere perhaps you have something to think over too, don't you?
DW, don't be an idiot, obviously if you use a bug or stolen code or botting or multiple chars online to 'own everyone so badly' you are forcing everyone to do the same just to keep up, and therefore turning the game into shit.
You all don't know shit. Why are you idiots to judge Durms when you were never inside? It was the best damn place in the whole game that ever existed. Due to the members, due to the friendship inside and the fun we had.
All of you whine because you got owned so badly. Whine further, it does not matter now that everything is over.
But Manni is a great guy, Mute is a great guy, Delkin is a very nice guy. Everyone was having fun playing together.
And you all say, XX shared characters, YY exploited a bug, ZZ is better than me.
Hey, stop blaming the others and start playing the game? Big deal that someone exploited a bug, report the bug, fix the bug.
This is something I never understood. If someone finds a way to get some item you have never thought existed or to make some nice cash why is he to blame that the ainur (or so called administrators) can't handle their own box?
Manni played more than all of you and has contributed to the game far beyond any of us has done by now. Especially jerks like Jaron... Get real. Damn I am happy I stopped playing and I regret opening the logs page to check it out.
He is obviously doing it because he wants to start over and come back. That is not the question. The question is whether he's sincerely sorry or not. He can both be sincere and want to play again, I see nothing contradicting in that.
And what exactly makes him change his mind and announce it with a log 3 days before his 'ban is obsolete' to 'clear up the air'?
Contact me in game, please.
*nods at teh AGENT*
But if this isn't an actual apologize - and that will be proven if manni starts to play again - i'd like to place a 5k C on the char he'll create, with the condition he's 15 or +. Ok koz?
Dunno, from what I've seen of Manni, he is ready to stand by what he believes in. That's why we all thought he was such an asshole, because he was staning up for Durms at their worst and Mute.
Of course I don't know which is lamer - saying things that you obviously don't believe just to get unbanned or forcing someone to do that so that he can play again.
Eh, I don't see how it is possible to disagree with Shardik - it's just an attempt not to get re-banned, and it will probably prove succesful. I don't see why he would do a 180 degree turn otherwise.
Lobo i never butted in during the durm bkd war, because i wasnt a member and i didn't care one shit about it.
Manni, being in love means never having to say you're sorry.
I'm moving in 3 days... So I just wanted to clear the air before the ban is obselete.
On a log-related note, that's nice of you Manni, you'll be missed. The only sad thing about all this is that you wasted five months reflecting on some text-game.
I was surely one of the first to read the log, I was expecting some retarded comment from anyone to start commenting and I was quite sure it would come from one of the top-3 bkd idiots: Shardik, Mirnac or Azer... guess i was right :)
Half-hearted, half-assed appeal for reinstatement?
Just as insincere as ever.