Sou War
Matter of fact, i'm just going to kill you with one of my ERs! Happy trails.
Let me go dig out a log of one your alts getting noobed Saurus. It'll take a while but i'm sure i've still got it somewhere. :)
Cruice- Mordor's Fallen Angel
Are you serious? Geek detected!
Trescothik you don't know shit, I never been in Rims, whole my life iam in BKD longer then you exists in RL
Hah, SoU even got flogged by the Megs when they were busy hiding in their guildhalls from FRA/stwa/TB/Durms/other assorted randoms.
SoU have been comprehensively thrashed in every war they've been involved in in the last 8 years that didn't involve newbie guilds like valacircus and glorglas.
Saurus, I remember you in Rims. What Mordhred said was right, you were a fucking noob. Probably still are.
People are sometimes funny:) 'Mordor is Mordor' haha:) Well, your HP are yours - take better care of them. They tend to become negative even outside of Mordor:/
I have to interrupt the flame war to share this: 'http://www.holytaco.com/if-i-die-bacon-related-death-id-it-be-because'
Fucking genius.
Deal with it.
I love when people use 'deal with it!' as an argument tool. Like...'Mordor is Mordor, Deal with it!'...they don't like it so much when you use it back to them though. I would say: 'Attack in Mordor, expect retribution, deal with it.'
Unfortunately on T2T you can't force your standards on other people and have them always go along with it. They will, or they won't as they see fit, and the only real choice you have is to deal with it one way or another.
For example...pkers can decide that they don't like innbreaking and decide they're gonna make a deal that there's no innbreaking, but that won't stop people from doing it if they want to. And aside from whining about it, there's really not much anyone except the ainur can do about it.
Tireless: I do not think Josi would listen to you if you went crying to him about wanting a war.
Of course he wouldn't but if I got attacked by RoI protecting their area, we would hitlist them, then killed, then if they would reattack we would war them,
look,
its the same like RoI doing or anyone,
Xaron was asking: Who wants a piece of that deal?
I answered: I want, just pointed that we are not as easy to beat up as Evils guilds, Xaron plays very Hero if comes to war with nebies like SoU or Durbatuluk or anyone from Evils sides
not that I care about RoI or Evils, its good I can kill some evils now and dont have to ask for permission
Just seeing all these bullshit comments abouT Mordor wars and such from RoI and their alts got me crazy, and i overreacted a bit, so i appologize all my friends
*cheers
It wasnt worth casting sandstorm on a single spider, so no.. sandstorm wasnt used in there.
Haha and the necros took full advantage of the blue shield bug before it got fixed. Endlessly spawning npc's and a spell that doesn't take EP. Nice, eh?
Xaron, if you didnt know, everything in mordor is a KR for sFR/ER guilds, most people got their exp from the unbalanced battlepoint guards, constantly doing pit creatures and when sounders had 5times as much respawns.
Hahahah Trempk, very nice. I was sad, like the day of or after I joined bkd, the durms were kilt.
Well, technically, it was more like 100 logs of BKD dying and 400 of Winnetou dying.
As someone who did their utmost to foster positive relations with BkD, and has many close friends amongst their ranks, I find this talk of a war a bit saddening. Meh.
I do not think Josi would listen to you if you went crying to him about wanting a war.
Saurus go fuck yourself. You were never half decent in pk or doing anything else in the game. Please stop pretending so. Xaron never aimed his words at you, and they had nothing to do with BKD. Don't be a piece of shit so full of yourself like you're pretending you are. And finally, to quote you like you did to Xaron:
'and for sure we are not and won't be like stupid weak evil guilds in war'
Want me to post links for the 500 logs of BKD dying to durms in the past war? Not necessary I guess, everyone remembers those.
So. Pfft. Don't be the asshole that you are.
However, for example, attacking RoI in Mordor (or anywhere) doesn't translate to anything less than a deathwish. It amounts to a failed attempt, and a death later on. Who wants a piece of that deal?
I just saying, next time I will log on, I will seek your halls, and when you would try protect your area, I will go cry to Josi and lets war begin, and for sure we are not and won't be like stupid weak evil guilds in war, you want a piece of that deal?
Now Saurus, this is my first character too: in learning Mordor, there were definitely some things that went wrong in the beginning :p
Since then, I didn't accumulate 40M XP by killing in lawsys-protected areas. I also didn't accumulate it by dying to PK...
*shrug*
I didn't realize sticking up for yourself was so unpopular...
I thought a horse and a bull were the same thing?
You are funny Xaron,
http://logs.dyndns.dk/viewer.php/11646
http://logs.dyndns.dk/viewer.php/11589
http://logs.dyndns.dk/viewer.php/11372
, It would be nice war BKD vs RoI.....
[new] Date: 12. Dec, 2008, 5:55:08 By: Myrddin
Mordor without the threat of pk is just an imbalanced area to EQ. Where's the fun there?
You missed the point Myrddin; the threat is always there: it's fucking Mordor. Of course the threat is going to be there.
However, for example, attacking RoI in Mordor (or anywhere) doesn't translate to anything less than a deathwish. It amounts to a failed attempt, and a death later on. Who wants a piece of that deal?
Just ban every moral guild to go into Mordor, problem will be solved, and it will be the best roleplay, I see the guilds forgot that they are for roleplay not for powerplay.
Mordor without the threat of pk is just an imbalanced area to EQ. Where's the fun there?
When Rauko created it, it was really meant to be an arena and for some time it was. Some took it more personally and thats fine, the towers needs conflict. But the conflicts of recent are very different than before. In part because the community's structures and alliances have degraded down to the level of a caveman world from what it used to be.
Vermond and Etrius have hashed out most of the reality behind Mordor politics, among a few other things.
Truth is, it's really important to differentiate between 'lawless' and politics. While you may not get fined for anything there, there isn't necessarily going to be a parallel exemption from political retribution.
At this part, that is. 'and newer guilds like PoT, NiA pretty much always. You could say that relative might makes right.'
Haha, Vermond.
Duh Myrddin. What a stupid question. Clearly you haven't heard of the new ecological agenda of SoU. Picking daisies on Ravenhill is a serious offence and can cause severe repercussions. We are ecowarriors now.
That's all well and good Mirnac, but what was that person hitlisted for in the first place? Picking daisies on Ravenhill? Or attacking someone in Mordor?
I mean, when I pk someone in Mordor, I don't expect to persuade them not to retaliate by the rhetoric of lawless land or by the claim that I was RPing. The only reason that would keep them from retaliating would be fear of further conflict. Depending on the evils' power, the number of guilds that are instilled with that fear varies. Guilds like RoI, FRA, BkD never seem to be fine with it, VC, GV, Amruin, etc only when evils have enough power to keep them under check, and newer guilds like PoT, NiA pretty much always. You could say that relative might makes right.
I know all about the arguments Pounder, I was preaching the same stuff 5 years ago. And the moral bunch were saying the same crap. We got nowhere until we fought it out.
Thats true Vermond, people did have pacts a long time ago. The thing is, the reason people say mordor is mordor is because of its stigma as being mordor. The fact that it is a lawless area and has some of the better eq (or did) also affects this. Finally, if you can't handle yourself in mordor, don't go in. Even back in the RP wars days mordor was not considered at all an RP location. When I entered mordor when it was first released I fully expected to get killed somehow. Not to mention I never took an attack from anyone (but allies and friends) personally inside mordor.
Thestil bkd didn't start a war because of Mordor tho. They had some member get attempted in mordor and they got abit angry but not war, then a bkd member attempted a SoU member that was on the hitlist, and SoU killed that bkd member OUTSIDE mordor, that was the last drop.
The 'Mordor is Mordor' thing grew more out of powerplaying than RP. If it were RP, there would be an analogous saying that 'Loth is Loth' and any Galadhrim who saw you killing in Loth would be in their full right to 5-man you without expecting to be reported.
But evils have the advantage of a lawless Mordor, which gives morals the disadvantage of any lawsys leverage. So, as Vermond said, might makes right and evils tend to attack morals from the weaker guilds in Mordor. :P
i've come to the following view about retaliation for attacks in mordor. it seems to me quite reasonable that, if you are attacked in mordor (or whereever), your guild should hitlist/kill the attacker. you might reasonably extend the retribution to the attacker's GM if s/he allows such behaviour.
however, in my view it is going too far to target all the attacker's guildmates, particularly low-mid-level characters and/or characters who do not get involved in PK. that smacks of bullying to me and i think reduces the amount of fun in the game for a number of reasons.
I will protect my members regardless of where they get attacked, or who attacked them. I don't care if it's Mordor or Bree. And as far as I'm concerned any Guild which is worth the code its written on should do the same.
Incidentally, this has ALWAYS been RoI's policy. Indeed, we fought and won a war against SoU several years ago for the exact same reasons.
And I beg you to differentiate between the feces of a horse and a bull. They're two distinct members of the animal kingdom.
This discussion has been going on for years and is quite pointless. Basically Mordor is Mordor as long as evil guilds/whoever else likes killing there can make it stay that way by bashing the hell out of anyone that dares retaliate outside. I remember back in our heyday pretty much every guild would put their signature under RP agreements that accommodated hunting and killing in Mordor under the name of RP. Why? Because might makes right.
The problem with that is, well, right depends on might.. which is what the continuous fighting is about.
Meh, just because Mordor is lawless, it doesn't mean that moral guilds have a treaty with evil guilds or any other guilds that attacking inside Mordor is cool. If I was GM and my members were killed in Mordor, I'd give permission to kill the attacks outside Mordor too just like Etrius did. And yeah, Etrius is spot on when he said 'Mordor is Mordor' is horseshit.
Who needs a reason for war anyways?
Well i always thought Mordor should stay Mordor, mainly because Mordor is boring if you don't get attacked there. BUT i can see how some don't think so, one reason to be in a guild is to be a group that back you up and give you defense, why shouldnt your friends/guild help you when you get killed? Sure you could say that this person should be killed but only in mordor, but most servants/evils are freaking pussys and are only in mordor when doing a pk and then leaves and they have all advantages and are very close to unkillable in mordor.
Getting attacked in Mordor is so normal, its a lawless area, you know it before you enter and you have no right to blame on people since it says it's a lawless area after you enter. It's a shity reason to declare war on a guild for this...
Damn! That's what Josi told me. :(
Jabba, i'm sorry, you are wrong there :( ...it actually IS Mordor.
Mordor is Bree.
Yeah that one started over Mordor too, was my point.
Mordor is Mordor is one of the most stupid ideas/concepts of all time in mud history.
No one gives a shit.
Well the official incident that started it that is, there was plenty of tension before.
Hah, Etrius, do you remeber why Durm-BkD war started in the first place?
I was GM of RoI when the fighting with SoU broke out.. I didn't consider it a war, per se, I just gave my members permission to pkill SoU whenever they felt like it. The reason being that Athin gives his members free reign to attack RoI whenever they want in Mordor. I'm not really into any of this 'Mordor is Mordor' bullshit, and from the looks of things BkD aren't either.
I think RoI is still killing SoU, and then SoU went and killed a bkd member apparently. And there reason was because the one they killed attempted a SoU member, even tho he was on bkd hitlist. But then again, im on either side so im not sure :)
I thought that SoU was at war with RoI?
Well, I already told you I'm not gonna post anymore, so you can sit down and relax. No more junk from me.
It's better than your junk.
The guys are complete newbies (nothing bad about that), so normal they died. This log sucks, come on! You guys are idiots.
Very nice log unusual to get locked and kill the two that locked you plus one that was called for help keep em comming
I like how Azen ditched his mate to die.
Apparently it's now
when was this particular war?
KHAZAD STRONG
Delmor is BkD as well.
hum, i get it now, rowen that was doing the killing is bkd, the 3 that died are evil/servants
2elves and 1 human.
erm what, SoU BkD war and he kill 3 elves? or atleast 2 didn't look to closely
We are at war!?
BKD vs SoU war?
Appalling
3 ears, nice.
Interesting how Azen actually locked the door first.