Not this particualar change, but just these types of changes that one person in power wants to change.. state your oppinions please (tried to edit out a bunch of the fighting)
they reduced the prices of pipe belts??? omg! i'm not playing ever again
05/25/09 - Castamir:
The price for Dorgy's pipe belts has been reduced to 500
gold.
See what a nice, polite idea report can do?
Josi is cute. The rest of you look like moldy dog turds.
I have spoken.
I'm cute!
Wombats are cute
I would come back if I could create my own house and have a pet. :) It would have to be a meerkat, they are simply the most awesome creature ever?
Make me PoL? Anyone?
Unnerf Sapphire swords
Bring back sheriffs!
me too
I appreciate the amount of respect for me that you displayed, Caenedrin.
Pot, meet kettle.
Lobo if you had half of your brain you would understand by simply *reading* my comment that I wasnt agreeing, but stating that Tireless is not wrong. Additionally I do not consider him to be smarter than myself, but respect that he might be right on some issues regarding the game. You on the other hand are quite the little twat. You probably are giggling to yourself like a school-girl right now because you think you have made me angry but im just taking a second to write out that no one takes you seriously and even more than that: you are an annoying fuck. Have a nice day :)
Oh, I'd give great riches to get to handle the fat ones pipe.
But Adoni, think of the financial implications! Now that your pipe is hidden from public view you can invite people to inn rooms where they can pay you to show them your pipe, and for a few extra gold maybe handle it, give it a smoke...
Alias gg: do say good game,say cry some more?
Except you can still use look instead of l when you need to look. but i use gg for glance, so no biggie
Omg Omg adoni they hot rid me spam, you can't show your precious pipe anymore!!! Geez suicide suicide... Or just stfu?
As to alias l glance, it will screw up looking at items, exploring etc.
Stop whining
Dahnir FTW lawlcakes? Trescothik, come to the States so you can give me that back rub you promised me.
OMG you can type 'l' instead of 'look'?? I've been typing 'look' all this time!!!
lol jk. :P
anyway, good comments, it's nice to see what other people think.
you'd actually want to alias 'l' to glance, since that's the only reason anybody would favour using look.
[new] Date: 09. May, 2009, 21:31:53 By: Ural
Here's an idea.
Idea report:
Make a set for setting the command look to 'glance' instead of 'look'.
alias look glance
Done.
That's because you outed my alt on the comm, Mr. Moroso.
Stop agreeing with someone smarter then you just to make yourself look brighter, caenedrin. Try to understand their statement first, you idiot.
God old Tireless, always up for writing us another novel.
Mathias isn't a horrible guy, he has done work for arda. The only problem is Tireless, you tell us not to call people idiots and stoop low, while mathias does this consistently to players. He thinks because he is a power/ainur he doesn't need to take into consideration intelligent and older players thoughts on things.
Two things to add: Mathias is generally a good guy and does try hard to make *everyone* happy. (Kudos to Mathias for this) Also Tireless, you aren't wrong in your last statements.
I recieved a dumb ass warning from Mathias.
Look what it got me.
Moroso the dwarf Master Assassin (Shadowspawn of Mordor)
Suspended for another 27 days 17 hours 7 minutes 7 seconds
Suspended for: Too many warnings
Not present in Arda. Gender: male
Age: 43d 7h 24m 32s
Moroso is a servant of the Dark Lord.
Not all of Mathias's warnings get blown off.
Mathias in a nutshell: He gave an alt of mine a dumbass warning (the same as the other 99% of his warnings), and another power debating nuking me over my several warnings decided against it because they said Mathias' warnings don't really count because they're always silly.
The power shall remain nameless.
If I were doing a PhD on sociology, you guys would make my thesis.
Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with many of the sentiments expressed in this thread, especially Scatha's, I have to say that this change is one of the last I'd get angry about and allow myself to be commbanned over. There are so many other infinitely more ridiculous Valinor decisions which are far more deserving of player agastment and scorn. We're talking about pipe belts ffs.
Within the rules governing this site I can't punish you for this, Caenedrin:
'douche goblin Osse'
But I suggest you choose your words carefully for the foreseeable future. That's not appropriate or constructive in any sense of the word. The only thing you do with that is polarize people who disagree with you against you -- such as me.
To the rest of you, I'd like to point out two things (without taking a side on the issue if at all possible):
First: You are more likely to be greeted with a positive response if you make suggestions which synergize with the efforts of Valinor rather than saying 'This thing that you spent time and effort on is shit, take it away, fuck you for trying your best to improve things because I think you did a bad job.' Instead of saying what a horrible change this is, identify what your problem is and possible solutions (for example, the problem is I cannot show off my pipes. A solution would be to change the functionality of pipe belts to allow the wearer to show off his pipes. On this note, I plan to make such a suggestion myself.)
Second: Keep in mind that with a few glaring exceptions (ie battlepoints, lawless fr/er combat) almost no issues are responded to universally. For almost any issue if you take a fair poll of the players the split goes something like this: 40% favor the status quo. 30% neutral. 30% vocally against. Guaranteed, no matter what change was made (I DEFY all of you to find me a single example of a change which would be globally well accepted which is not repealing a change which was globally reviled) there would be a portion of the population which get very angry and very loud, and if Valinor listened to them there would be a nearly equal sized portion of the population who would get equally angry and equally loud. One reason being in Valinor is so frustrating is that responding to an idea report (or many idea reports) or implementing what you and the dev team thinks is a good idea invariably yields abuse from some portion of the population and no matter how well you do you rarely get specific praise.
Mathias works harder, longer, and does more good for the MUD (when I say good I mean stuff that Pounder would also characterize as good, such as fixing bugs which would cause false reboots such as the one that killed everyone at whip and Aiglos a month or two ago) than anyone currently up there. He puts in more time actually doing stuff than any powerplayer spends playing the game. He is giving you guys an ENORMOUS gift and he does his best to operate on policies which optimize his efforts. Then, after all that effort some brainless twerp who (as he characterizes himself) barely plays the game (out of the hall for the first time in 4 months) thinks it's ok to
call HIM an idiot,
call the products of his dev team dumb
(twice, in a row, after he politely asked you to be less rude),
telling him he's on a power rush when you're behaving abysmally,
then complain when he takes _the most mild recourse available to him_ without even giving you a warning.
The reality is -- and I've read countless logs of people saying they're terrorized by Valinor, I've been one myself, and I've watched countless examples of the same -- that all of our admin is ridiculously patient. They occasionally have an _average_ temper because they've already been worn thin by someone else, but this is a perfect example of Mathias exercising more restraint than virtually anyone else would in his shoes.
bring back fade!
I agree with Scatha for the first time ever. Too bad you're retired or w/e.
While I don't care about pipes at all, I see this change as an example of the more destructive passtimes of Valinor over the years -- revisionism. Everything gets progressively tweaked by successive people. If all the time spent endlessly making silly small tweaks to things was put towards making new areas, it'd be amazing what things would be created.
Instead, not only is time wasted by making pointless changes, time is also wasted by arguing with the players when they point out how pointless the change is.
Businesses with low manpower will prioritize all things that drain resources, and will deem certain types of things as inefficient use of time. Valinor could really use a similar system.
Looking back, things like the headbutt change, which was universally hated, the endless revisions to the HBS, etc, etc. It happens too often.
But back to the log - I have to agree with others that this in no way paints Adoni in a good light.
I second Shabba.
Azer, I would still be active and actually playing if they made good changes to the mud. However, they keep making it more and more of a piece of generic shit and as tool said, making it basically a text based pvm/pvp game. Its pretty pathetic, and they still haven't learned after what, 5 years of making the same mistakes over and over now?
You can mount a horse and lead another so that's a potential 2 packs more - saddlebags (which FRs can get now) and panniers.
Most of the time I just read what names have commented on the log (Which i NEVER read) to know if it's worth reading the comments or not. I didn't read it, but here's a thought to why people are leaving. Some fucker made something similar to MUDs but that stuff had like, what's the word, graphics? Like moving pictures all userfriendly and shit. Times change, you don't see alot of people phoning eachother using smoke signals anymore, i'm sure there's some though. Man be thankful there's still a few smokesignaling fans out there for you to hang around with. Ain't saying t2t's boring, it's still fun, i'd play if i felt like it, but I doubt i'd be hooked to it if i at this time hadn't played a MUD before.
That's funny, Waste calling someone a retard.
If you are all concerned about a change to a cosmetic thing like 'spammy' autoloaders. I don't think that is the reason this game is turning to shit. This game has turned into a PvP arena. Where it used to try and concern itself with RP between guilds for the war of the ring. it is now used to degrade and belittle anyone that plays this game. Spree killers, Power players, and rampant cheating is what is bringing this game to it's knees. I had 3 friends join this game to check out what I do on my spare time. I spent the time to level them up to teach them the game as I was taught 10 years ago only for spree killers to kill them for what reason. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Covered by the fact that these killers say 'oh it was a personal contract' What a aload of crap.
If you want to whine about pipes ruining the game. Maybe it's time to give the game away to the power players trying to take over the game and ruin it for others that want to play for other reasons.
But this has been discussed many times over and we all know that these spree killers have Ainur alts and only do it when there is no other ainur on. Even logged conversations sent to the powers to show harrassment has fallen on deaf ears.
If you want to comment on how bad the mud is. Leave the game. We all know it is easier said than done. But hey if you dont like it. Leave.
Shit.. I have just condradicted myself.
Also I have no idea why I posted this
Yay another log where I Don't die!
Shabba, lemme start off with saying that you are a complete retard. Unless you read my comment wrong, I did not say it was logical to lead 10 horses. Yes it was imbalanced and needed attention. But like adoni mentioned, its not cool to just wipe it out completely and limit everyone to just one horse. I made an argument that you could ride a horse and lead another at the same time. Meaning you would end up with only two horses instead of 10. A balanced change instead of limiting everyone to just one horse. You might have been a relative newcomer where you are customed to having only one horse, but back then, it was the norm to have few horses on your golding trips. As such, limiting them to just one all of a sudden is an impact change which of course had people mumbling about.
Hahahaha, nice Rhoads
Now that would be going cold turkey, rhoads
Lets shut down the mud. With the number of idiots we have here I think it is the best thing to do! :D
You are all spam to me, hah, and you can lead 10 horses easily pff done it millions of times smoking 10 pipes filled with weed. Or was that after smoking 10 pipes, hmm.... can't remember
uhm, 10 panniers instead of one? :P
Leading that many horses isn't advantageous with nerfed SoB anyway. Warming it up at the VC hitching post was always fun though.
Thanks to Cruice.
Here's an idea.
Idea report:
Make a set for setting the command look to 'glance' instead of 'look'.
Logic comes into play when you are running a game set in a fantasy world. ;)
Anyone who would care about your pipes most likely will have them as well. So you're not really showing them off anyways.
It IS illogical to have a retarded amount of pipes on you that aren't in a pipe belt.
And Waste, it is COMPLETELY fucking illogical and unbalanced to lead that many horses. You have absolutely no argument there.
Players can glance to get rid of autoloading spam. It is their own fault if they 'look' at a player instead of 'glance'.
I just don't undertand the reasoning really. I mean I have two cool pipes, and I want to display them, because well, I got them because I think they look cool displayed. Now I can only show off one due to 'spam'. sorry if my total of 2 pipes is too obnixious.
'Actually, if it was to reduce spam they could have limited it to a few pipes. This change was an all or nothing thing, no compromise and it wasn't an important enough one for them to take the jab at players with it the way they did. I mean, it's not like having a few extra pipes made somebody's client explode or caused the person you attacked to drop dead. If people want it and it's not hurting anything, let it be.'
This was pretty much the exact reasoning behind my 'explosion' I understand having 35 pipes is obnoxious, fine, limit it to a few, not YOU ONLY GET ONE PIPE AND THAT'S FINAL BECAUSE I AM A POWER AND I SAID SO. It's stuff like this that drive players away. As you can see, that's what i started this with, why can't the pipe limit be something like 5 or so.
Actually, if it was to reduce spam they could have limited it to a few pipes. This change was an all or nothing thing, no compromise and it wasn't an important enough one for them to take the jab at players with it the way they did. I mean, it's not like having a few extra pipes made somebody's client explode or caused the person you attacked to drop dead. If people want it and it's not hurting anything, let it be.
There is a time to make a stand and a time to just deal with it. Not being able to carry 438472 pipes without a belt or two isn't the change to make a stand on.
I had a similar case to this some time ago.
Back when you were able to lead as much horses as you wanted the ainu decided one day to limit each player to one horse, i had an argument with Aule about it. It was a major source of golding for me to use a number of horses and panniers to make gold in the plains. Aule said that the change was made because it was 'illogical' to be able to lead 10 horses at the same time not because they were too spammy or created an imbalanced source of gold.
So I made an argument that knights in the past were able to lead a horse and ride another at the same time and after about 20 mins of argueing, i got the same line of crap: 'this is what we decided on, so deal with it'.
A change is done for playability purposes should not be justified with logic. As with this case. Pipes were limited to reduce spam, not because it was illogical to carry so much of them. I understand Adoni's frustration here because when you make an argument against the logic used to implement this change, you realise that this logic was just a cover for a totally different reason.
Also, everyone that says people don't play anymore.... still play.
Caenedrin is actually spot on. If you criticise Valinor they puff out their chests and start on the personal attacks, but calling them idiots for not giving a shit about what their playerbase thinks earns you commban/warning/silence.
So true Fofester. Quite easy to state your opinion without resorting to name-calling. But then you hit a wall when they adopt the attitude 'we dont give a fuck what you think.' He called them idiots. Boo-fucking-who. I had enduring far worse from douche goblin Osse and incidentally it was he who resorted to name calling when I stated my opinions on a trivial improvement to the game. I personally believe that some of Valinor has a large chip on their shoulder and they are feeling a need to prove their 'superiority'
Goddamn I love Fofester.
You acted like an ass to the Ainur and got punished for it.
Why are people still surprised when this happens?
It's perfectly easy to state your opinion without resorting to insults and name-calling. Stop acting like children.
I just wrote a short novel in an idea report against the dagger of ruin change. Let's see if it even gets a response.
Lobo is getting soft!
Obligatory: that's what she said as an addendum.
Sleep well brother.
Bah, I gotta sleep, be well guys... and you herkies too.
Think I care?
heh, i really thought i was going to get nuked actually supprised i didn't. I really don't play much anymore... doubt i ever will just kind of poke in every once in a while. Before all this went down Josi almost had a heart attack because I had actually left the GH for the first time in about 4 months lol.
Whose crying Lobo? Let me take a different stance: Lobo you're a fucking retard.
Cry some more, Caenedrin?
Adoni I miss you man and know you're a great guy. Personally I agree with you that it is imperative for the Administration to take the concerns of mortals seriously to maintain a satisfied playerbase. I also think they were fairly reasonable with you - people have been nuked for less. Which is, of course, the opposite of maintaining a playerbase.
To save Lobo some valuable time, within which he might grow some chest-hair: Yea, I'll cry some more. So will Adoni, just for your benefit.
The idea of posting this was not to prove any point about pipes, but rather to try and make a point of why people don't want to play anymore... hopefully the people in charge will finally get a clue, but I doubt it.
Personally, I don't give a shit about pipes. But I'm certain that a considerable part of the playerbase does - actually, these days with such a small, non-regenerative playerbase I'd entertain the possibility that even if two people liked pipes I'd respect that. This is a lesson I've probably learned better than anyone: The Valar reserve the right to do whatever the fuck they want, for whatever reason. Castamir is back and he's making some nasty changes from what I see. So there's some hope there. Otherwise it is really futile to resist any treatment or changes: it is their game, and it has always been their volition and historical modus operandi to juggle/nerf things -regardless- of what mortals think or want. Not being critical, just stating the facts.
And ya, Namina is a lapdog from the sight of it.
Good one Lobo, original too!
Caenedrin is a fucking herkie.
Several things I noted about this: Firstly Namina jumping in to defend Osse. Never gets old. Secondly why is Osse allowed to verbally berate anyone he pleases calling them any number of insults including names synonymous to idiot (all of the time) but one mild comment directed toward the Valar gets someone punished? Oh yes, hypocrisy, that's right. And to Shabba: Adoni has a few decent points here, but some are opinions. How dare he stand up for himself and be irritated when he is treated poorly.
Now im sad :( Remember this Adoni. Watch your tongue. Look what mine got me.
You don't put all the pipes in your mouth, as I recall. The rest get tucked away.
The dark chainmail shirt is better having to be quested. It was coded for ERs and they had to kill shadowspawn to get it otherwise. Of course this also means the quest should be made startable (like multiple idea reports sent in over the years suggested) rather than a once a night deal. Just being able to kill the sergeant made the quest a rare thing to be in which wasn't right.
Mathias is a power, theres ur answer to all your mud problems!!
05/08/09 - Castamir:
The weapon assassins and thieves get from a quest in Umbar
has been upgraded to a longsword.
05/05/09 - Castamir:
Extra pipes after the first will take up a hand when not
stored in a pipe belt; starting June 14th, this will apply
to autoloaded ones as well. Sorry, Josi.
04/28/09 - Castamir:
The non-quest way of obtaining the dark chainmail shirt has
been removed
Arg....
I agree with Adoni... I haven't been playing 10+ years like some of you but the changes I have seen in a year have made me want to stop playing like I use to.
Moroso the dwarf Master Assassin (Shadowspawn of Mordor)
Suspended for another 29 days 22 hours 38 minutes 48 seconds
Suspended for: Too many warnings
Not present in Arda. Gender: male
Age: 43d 7h 24m 32s
Moroso is a servant of the Dark Lord.
Also seems like Moroso won't be ranting for a while LOL <3 Moroso :)
^ (OOC) Adoni: and besides, if you read what the emotes is, you put the
mpipes in your mouth not your hand
That was my favorite. Cause having 20 pipes in your MOUTH is so much better than just holding them in your hands, right?
They were having a civil, rational argument on the change and then Adoni chimes in, providing no useful opinions and resorting to name calling. Cliche herk response right there.
I generally have thought Adoni to be a POS sometimes, but this is one where he is completely in the right. No, not his methods of convincing, but his argument is exactly what I have been stating for years. It is exactly why this mud has become generic garbage instead of allowing for interesting personal choices etc. Soon, all you will have left is kill ork, get all from corpse, lolz, pvp, die, lolz. There is a reason why there aren't tons of people still playing. And if people find it spammy, just leave the room, or kill the person. God knows everyone and their mom use clients, put in some bullshit in it that removes any pipe emotes??? On a side note, I miss Ash.
Not that many people will agree with you that this is such an awful change, and so you make yourself look like an idiot. Also as far as I remember every ER back in the day had a warg-head pipe, and although I can't recall the quest it's probably super-easy to obtain still. This is like complaining you can't display a gazillion forged rings. Oh I have an ithildin ring, a blue fire opals ring, an elfstone ring, a ring with the erebor dragon gate black gem, waaah I can't show them all off!!!
I agree with Shabba.
btw, when you 'mutter', people can't understant it properly
herkie log detected. auto-rating...
All you did was make yourself look like a douchebag. Congrats, Adoni.
^ (OOC) Halen: Now you sound like Moroso, Adoni :( C'mon, you cand o
better.
I love it. Once i get unjailed i will continue my ranting!