Yeah you can ignore this if you don't want to see a bit of a whine, but since we all like bitching about how the ainur are enforcing the wrong rules these days, you can see here. Apparently the ainur class 'putting out' as worse than PG13.
Salmar tells you: what's up?
You tell Salmar: mind checking current law issues for both me and camyll
please
You tell Salmar: that warning I got is ridiculous
You tell Salmar: especially given that seconds before the comm mentioned
I'd actually reminded people about dracula's power over women
Salmar tells you: I think it is fine, you went too far, the quote in the
warning is just one part of a bigger issue
You tell Salmar: and to be honest everyone who's asked to hear what the
comm was about directly to me has found it stupid
You tell Salmar: erm, what bigger issue?
Salmar tells you: the greater covnersation I shoudl say
You tell Salmar: the entire conversation was like 3 lines
You tell Salmar: and it was blatantly based on the perception of dracula
in liteary history
Salmar tells you: there is no place for talking about players "putting
out" on the comm
You tell Salmar: oh for christs sake, THAT was part of the stupid log of
Qwhatever on the log page
You tell Salmar: which by now is common knowledge, and the comm was more
of a joke at him that it was at camyll
Salmar tells you: what is "allowed" on teh log page doesn't mean it is
allowed here
You tell Salmar: as far as I'm aware not a single person on the mud
believes a word he says
You tell Salmar: that entire log on the logpage WAS on the mud
You tell Salmar: it was purely a record of the comm over a 3-4 hour period
You tell Salmar: the guy is obviously a raving lunatic, and as far as I'm
aware thats pretty much the entire muds opinion
Salmar tells you: the point to take away from this whole episode is to
back away from the provocative speech you use on the comm
You tell Salmar: as such making jiokes at HIS expense gets me a warning
for supposedly sexually harassing camyll
You tell Salmar: I even termed it putting out, I didn't mention the cum
guzzling part or anythin else
You tell Salmar: oh bullshit, what I said was easily within the realms of
PG 13, which has ALWAYS been the rating on the comm
Salmar tells you: that is not true
You tell Salmar: yes it is
You tell Salmar: the whole comm help page used to explitly state that,
even if it might not now
Salmar tells you: I have been here for quite some time, the comm has not
ALWAYS been PG-13
Salmar told you: when we are also responsible for maintaining a sense
of decency and honor
Salmar told you: the comm is not a place to talk abotu players putting
out or not
You told Salmar: and yet, over the past 5 years you've shown that you
prefer serial cheaters and liars to people who've spent 10 years both
playing, and coding this game
You told Salmar: some way of enforcing both honour and decency
You told Salmar: putting out isn't even pg 13, it's almost U
rating
Salmar told you: once again, the point is YOU WENT TOO FAR
You told Salmar: I don't think so, neither does camyll
Salmar told you: the simple solution is to not go that far
again
You told Salmar: neither does ANYONE I asked and quoted it to
You told Salmar: every single person who has asked to see what I was
warned abotu has laughed
Salmar told you: that is your impression
You told Salmar: no, it's fact, I'm quite happy to paste it again with
the persons name removed on the comm and get a general mud vote
You told Salmar: though I'm aware that you guys don't like being shown
tyo be wrong
Salmar told you: when you allow morals and standards to be enforced by
the populace, they resort to the lowest common denominator
You told Salmar: yeah, the kley point there is COMMON
Salmar told you: I am more than willgni to admit I am wrong
Salmar told you: and correct things that I have made in error
You told Salmar: http://69.31.40.34/mudhelp/comm_policy.html
You told Salmar: PG13
You tell Salmar: in fact you can see the same thing on current help
comm_policy
You tell Salmar: that was sasily in the range of PG13
You tell Salmar: if you wanna lower it to U then fine, but at least change
the help files
Salmar tells you: if you do not like the decision made to warn you for a
comment deemed inappropriate for the comm, then I suggest you find a
different place to express your comments and views
You tell Salmar: I don't like rules being made, which I stick to, then the
rule being ignored and an 'invisible' stricter rule being put in
place
Salmar tells you: your arguments will not change the decision
You tell Salmar: and yet you claim the words 'putting out' are worse than
PG13....
You tell Salmar: in fact you literally told me that the comm policy was
not PG13 a few mionutes ago
Salmar tells you: that did not happen, it is jsut you think PG13 means one
thing and others think PG13 means somethign different
Salmar tells you: the comm used to be PG
You tell Salmar: I apply PG13 in the same way PG gets applied in my
country
You tell Salmar: the comm_policy still says it's PG13
^ (OOC) Dracula points to help comm_policy
^ (OOC) Dracula notes the first paragraph under profanity
You tell Salmar: I believe american pie was PG13
You tell Salmar: in fact I think scary movie made the joke at some point
in it where the girl says she's not ready for a R rated relationship,
but how about PG13, and then shwos her breats
You tell Salmar: so mild sexual (and hell 'putting out' is even milder
than that) comments are fine by that
You tell Salmar: and PG13 has some relatively clear guidelines
Salmar tells you: here's the deal, do you have any family members that are
10-13?
You tell Salmar: plenty
You tell Salmar: I can also remember back when I was 13
Salmar tells you: do you think their parents woudl want them to read what
you put on the comm
You tell Salmar: I don't think they'd particularly care
Salmar tells you: well, plenty of parents would care
You tell Salmar: again, I'm british, we have a more relaxed attitude
towards sex (and less relaxed towards violence) than america
Salmar tells you: and we must maintain some standards
You tell Salmar: noone asked you to be someone's parents
You tell Salmar: and the official policy is PG13
You tell Salmar: you wanna enforce different then change it!
You tell Salmar: all I'm asking for is some consistency
Salmar tells you: this "discussion" will nto resolve anything
You tell Salmar: so you'll still be hypocritical then....
You tell Salmar: having one policy published and enforcing a different one
Salmar tells you: in the future we will try warn everyone that makes
similar comments to yours (which I think we have tried to do)
You tell Salmar: then change the damn policy!
You tell Salmar: before I pointed out that help file you actually told me
the comm policy was never pg13
You tell Salmar: so obviously you weren't aware of the rules either
Salmar tells you: PG13 is a very broad rating open for a lot of
interpretation
You tell Salmar: and yet it still has guidelines
Salmar tells you: I never said that, I said that the policy has not ALWAYS
been PG 13
You tell Salmar: in the UK it 'may contain mild sexual comments and
profanity' along with x violence (not sure about the violence)
You tell Salmar: it has been pg13 for 10 years at least, it was pg13 when
I started
Salmar tells you: you are now misquoting me to support your argument
You tell Salmar: no, I'm not misquoting you
^ (OOC) Slythe: Dracula, it's pretty simple nowadays, you don't need o
read 'help rules' or comm_policy
Salmar tells you: this discussion is over for now, I have other things I
need to do
You tell Salmar: you'll excuse me if I continue it on the comm and gather
some other opinions. I'll be careful not to mention hoohoos or tatas
^ (OOC) Slythe: if you multiplay, multiplay or cheat in any form,
you're allowed to play freely and Valinor will even protect you.
^ (OOC) Slythe: erm, abuse*
^ (OOC) Slythe: but if you misbehave on the comm, you're punished.
^ (OOC) Dracula: so guys, what would you take PG13 to mean
^ (OOC) Dracula: since thats currently the 'official' policy
Salmar tells you: that is up to you, it is your right, to a point that you
do not begin to slander or abuse people
^ (OOC) Dracula: lets go with the american version (I'm a brit, but the
mud is hosted in america)
^ (OOC) Dracula: I'm told it's a broad ratign that can't be completely
enforce, btu http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_Ratings.asp
You tell Salmar: it's libel, not slander
You tell Salmar: but I'll forgive that, and it was also obviously a joke
to anyone without a sense of humour failure
You tell Salmar: and it certainly wasn't abuse
^ (OOC) Mathias: Slythe, that's fairly ridiculous and unfounded.
^ (OOC) Dracula: A PG-13 motion picture may go beyond the PG rating in
theme, violence, nudity, sensuality, language, adult activities or
other elements, but does not reach the restricted R category
^ (OOC) Slythe: oh really?
^ (OOC) Mathias: No, not really. I'm just challenging you for no
reason.
^ (OOC) Slythe: ah, i see.
^ (OOC) Dracula: 'adult activities' lets focus on that
^ (OOC) Dracula: if anyone would like to know the words I used which got
me a warnign for 'sexual harassment' send me a tell
^ (OOC) Cifke: mention them on comm? :P
^ (OOC) Dracula: I'd rather nto get a second warnign and a comm ban for
bringign such low sexual graphicness onto the comm again
^ (OOC) Mathias: Dracula, this is by far the worst place to air this
grievance.
^ (OOC) Dracula: it's the ONLY place i have to air this greivance
^ (OOC) Slythe: actually, if i could, i'd kudo you for those. it was
actually hilarious
^ (OOC) Slythe: but i have none left
^ (OOC) Dracula: thanks, someone got the joke :(
You have been banned from the comm line permanently.
You tell Slythe: You have been banned from the comm line permanently.
You do not have access to the comm line.
Slythe tells you: see? now try multiplaying
You tell Mathias: I was being VERY careful not to break comm policy
Mathias tells you: Taking your warnings to the comm does just that.
You tell Mathias: and I wasn't swearing, bringing up graphical content
You tell Mathias: where does it say that in the rules?
You tell Mathias: and where else do I have to bring it up?
Mathias tells you: help warnings
You tell Mathias: I was, in fact, beingvery careful NOT to bring up sexual
content on the comm, to avoid getting a secnod warning
Mathias tells you: Also, in comm_policy, see: Q: I was
warned/silenced/deleted, and I don't think I deserve it.
You tell Mathias: ah, well at least that ones published, I apologise
You tell Mathias: any chance of removing that ban then
Mathias tells you: Regarding your second law report appeal...
You tell Mathias: try checking camylls law reports
You tell Mathias: even she thought it was unjustified
Mathias tells you: Not interested in reading hers.
Mathias tells you: You are gravely mistaken if you think that sexual
harassment requires the target of your remarks to be offended.
You tell Mathias: I'm more than a little curious who it actually was who
law reported me, since I had contact with a good 1/4 of the people
were ont he mud at the time
You tell Mathias: someone certainly needs to lighten up, anyways, abotu
that comm ban?
Mathias tells you: Secondly, Bram Stoker's Dracula should have no bearing
here whatsoever. This is a game based around the environment of
J.R.R. Tolkien. Acting as Bram Stoker's Dracula is unthematic and
unbefitting our game. I'm thinking that a namechange may be in order
to prevent you from making that mistake again.
You tell Mathias: the OOC comm
You tell Mathias: (yes I understand the irony of using the OOC character
of the comm to justify talking about my char name)
You tell Mathias: so I guess the ban is staying.....
You tell Mathias: despite the fact that I have since apologised and have
been pointed to the rule I was breaking (apology would imply that I
won't be doing it again)
Mathias tells you: I'm actively working on things in another window...keep
your pants on.
You have been unbanned from the comm line.
The warning I got was as follows (along with the first law report)
These are Dracula's current warnings:
Dracula 03/05/10 14:54 : Sexual harassment of our players is not
acceptable. ^ (OOC) Dracula: I just heard Camyll puts out from #
Queueueueuieeuaaaaaaaaargh, and whilst I can follow her around she
just runs away, I must be losing my touch :(
Report #: 3676
Title: My recent warning
Submitted by: Dracula
Submitted: 03/08/10 11:10 (23h 22m 11s ago)
Last updated: 03/08/10 15:26
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Details:
That qas quite obviously a joke, and certainly not sexual harrasment!
Hell, I even helped out Camyll later on!
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Comments on this law report:
03/08/10 11:10: Submitted for discussion by Dracula.
03/08/10 15:26: Comment by the Valar:
It was not obviously a joke, and your words were completely
inappropriate. Think before you speak. "Just kidding" afterwards
doesn't make them any less inappropriate.
03/08/10 15:26: Dismissed by the Valar.