Unity's name reminds me of the Rick James episode on Chapelle's Show...
*punch*
Unityyyyyyy!
hahahahah this thread rocks! moar sir moar!
use sign language!
You shut your mouth when you're talking to Logan, Draimon.
STFU LOGAN NOOBDOUCHE grrrr
Myrddin is a loser
I have to rate this log a 6 just to balance out Myrddins bullshit ratings. Nobody takes the rating system seriously so why post logs with ratings enabled. Or comments for that matter, coherent sensible people turn into retarded brats here for some reason. Why advertise kills by posting them like it's a big deal? People will start staying in their inns, they don't want to get point and laughed at on the logpage! shut this shit down.. NOW!
jk.
Not funny
u suck
quit
quit
help
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You're obese Tireless? Tough break.
What Draimon says is true. He's a freakish bare-knuckle boxing street fighter with 100 berserking skill. Just like Sherlock Holmes. You'd better have some salt in your body punches because swinging at his head isn't feasible with the huge cushion of hair protecting it.
It's ... mesmerizing. What was I talking about?
Oh I thought it was a different comment about gender that got removed. It's in a different thread though.
The deleted comment was almost verbatim, '[Player name] hasn't MPed because his alt was hibernated for xx days and is coming out in yy days.' This is not a hint like 'This player is obese irl.' It is specific and points people at precisely one character.
Saying 'Tireless' alt rhymes with Portitude' is what is meant by a 'hint,' by my reading of the rule: when you are obviously connecting one character with another, or attributing a collection of characters to a typist.
You're pretty touchy on this particular thread, why is that Tireless? :)
Well come on, it's kind of stupid to say hints aren't allowed. Like, if we call someone obese, we're not ALWAYS referring to Widower. Well, maybe.
(That is in response to a deleted comment, not one which is still on the thread)
What part of the 'NO HINTS' part of rules 5 isn't clear? God damnit, I JUST made a big stink about this on another thread so nobody would say anything that would make me warn them. *tantrum*
I told someone the tale of Tevildo, and they told me they just lost all respect for him.
It made me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside.
3-0 Draimon.
Every time I come back here it gets more and more idioditic and idioticic. Always good for a laugh.
Sunflash, remake your SC2 profile so I can kill your newbie ass.
Just to be clear, it's not about the current administration. T2T is a shithole and should die, and those of you still on it should fucking delete your clients. Join the movement: Quit T2T, let the dead horse die.
Also, I already got a logpage warning for saying shit about Tevildo, so I'll be simple.
Nothing Tevildo ever says will ever matter. He is a shitbag of epic proportions, and not due your respect. I advise you to spit directly in his e-face when he attempts to communicate with you, and disregard everything he says.
I'm doing my best. And thanks, Pounder. :)
Tireless, you are one person I would say should not have as a big problem as others when it comes to being objective on punishment and protection. So I would say honestly from what I have seen, you do a lot better even if they are your enemies than most people do.
Such a biased bastard.
Uh, probably not, I'd imagine... I mean, presumably a person who has committed a crime irl is being punished for it...irl.
Rules 9 says that 'it is strictly forbidden to use this page to ruin the life of another player, whether it be through defamation campaigns, or attempts to spread private information such as phone numbers and home addresses. Any kind of racial or sexual harassment will not be tolerated either.' That a person has committed an act which one sees as reprehensible in real life which has no bearing on the game or the logpage is running a defamation campaign by spreading private information.
Look at it this way: We all have stress and problems we deal with in real life which we presumably don't have to worry about on the logpage or in the game. You don't need to bring it up here.
I realize that I have not protected some people as forcefully as I ought to have based on this rule -- eg Aryl. Believe you me, I'm making the effort. It's a lot harder to do a good job enforcing rules protecting an enemy.
I don't get it - if Tevildo was a murderer irl would it be ok to call him on that?
T, I think that his behavior would conform more closely to the average player -- Not perfect in every way, not an angel, but not someone that draws the sort of attention he does. I mean, a little bit of MP will happen to anyone with alts periodically. I haven't heard any MP accusations regarding his latest set of incarnations at all, which I think probably means he's been behaving himself very well, despite Aryl's influence.
Wait a sec, are you Baklen? Or the guy who was the Storm?
ive gotten into a few scraps on the mean streets of greenwich, CT there pounder so you can use all that pussy martial arts shit while i beat your ass senseless
Tireless: you're proposing that if Ravathir was separated from Aryl's influence, he'd stop MPing altogether?
Well in that case, you are free to marry Draimon. It wouldn't be the first marriage through the mud and log pages.
logpage != mud, but thanks for trying.
And Yoana, didn't you say you were done on another thread and post your pathetic email and shit out? I am sure if anyone wants to get ahold of you, you don't need to keep posting here.
So you won't even state your fighting experience? Come on, I dare you. I already did above, but its mainly kickboxing mixtures.
Draimon will you marry me?
I love you.
POPULATION YOU
i retract my previous rules. for you pounder ill pay my own fare all the way to poundergetshisasskickedville, MN
So you're the normal jock that has no legit experience against real fighters at least in a multiple attacker set up (and no I don't consider myself one because I stopped full contact sparring about 2-3 years ago because of politics at where I trained and lack of interest so I have lost the edge required fight well). Anyone who knows what people who train to do damage can do, will almost never go looking for 1 vs multiple fights unless they gauge their opponents and only pick the weakest groups of them (like bar fights etc). And the ones that can actually truly handle it will never go around and brag about it, because they know exactly what they are capable of doing and will if ever wanting to flex their abilities will do it on the spur of the moment.
do you have a link for those kind of statistics pounder or are you just making shit up? ill tell you what there is a 100 percent chance that id take your manhood
psh, Lomar is APPLIED science, lame.
Last post for a bit, Iarla, where do you live? :P
Date: 31. Mar, 2010, 23:32:08 By: Tireless
Erm, Sunflash HAS given up on the mud, in every sense of the word. He does not play, he encourages others to quit playing, and has asserted that the MUD is not salvageable. How can anyone contort this into the claim that he hasn't given up on the mud in every way?
No, this is an errornous (SP?) statement. He has given up with the CURRENT administration way of running the mud. And he is correct, the current mud is NOT salvageable if it does NOT change directions very fucking fast.
I couldn't care less what this little internet bitch Draimon says Tireless. So Draimon, you say you can kick everyone's ass, and offer even a 2 vs 1 fight? That's pretty damn hilarious because there are only three possibilities that you can be of to offer it. .05% chance you have taken some martial art for some 15 years + and have legit multiple attacker practice. %.0002 chance that you are some freak of nature street fighter of legendary reputation that can handle 2-4 fairly easily. The remaining chance, your a stupid fucking thug that will get his ass completely dominated against 2 people with any skill and will try to pull a weapon because you're a complete moronic pussy. I am going with the odds on this one. And still there is only one I am actually afraid of from that list at all.
I give you a cookie.
Try and avoid using that term in the future. I know you've been cooperating and abstaining from its use for the most part recently. Keep it up.
also i apologize to tireless beforehand for saying faggy. i know that's totally offensive to intellectuals.
also pounder what i think you fail to realize is that nobody gives a fuck about your faggy whining on the log page and while you think you are fighting for the good of the mud nobody is saying 'well fuck me. pounder thinks this should be changed. let's get right on it!' the MUD is def ND and no amount of being a whiny bitch on the log page is going to change that so let's all just shut the fuck up shall we?
lulz. ill take that as a forfeit from pounder. 2-0. who's next?
Erm, Sunflash HAS given up on the mud, in every sense of the word. He does not play, he encourages others to quit playing, and has asserted that the MUD is not salvageable. How can anyone contort this into the claim that he hasn't given up on the mud in every way?
Draimon, you're hilarious, but also a fucking joke. Man, I used to actually think you were half respectable. Now came out the apegene in full force. And Norin, if you are content to things continuing downhill with fewer and fewer players, that's your choice. However, some people like Sunflash etc do not so easily give up on the place as what it should be and not what it is. It is a sad situation where once opinions were actually heard by the Ainur, but now they are mostly punished especially only from a few individuals.
The accumulated knowledge of the generations is what you said + ethics is bullshit and philosophy is bereft of content?
'Ethics are for those who are not good at anything except speculating bullshit about the behaviour and actions of themselves and others.'
'Philosophy is for those who don't know anything and won't learn anything, but still want to be others' equals... so they cast doubt on what others know.'
If you add these blanket statements to the ones I already proposed, you have the cumulative knowledge of generations!
There have been 12 logs posted in the last week, which averages to about two per day. Consequently, I'm not sure what you mean when you ask where logs are being posted, Camillus. As for 'crying', as you put it, change the date on the logs posted to 2006 and you'll see just as much (or more) crying and talking about leaving the mud.
Hell, we haven't had a whiny 'Goodbye, sweet MUD!' post in months!
Lomar is, as usual, spot on -- he, however, has me at a disadvantage. He's pursuing a bachelor of sciences, so he actually knows things. I'm pursuing a bachelor of arts, so I can only pretend. Philosophy is for those who don't know anything and won't learn anything, but still want to be others' equals... so they cast doubt on what others know.
that was not part of the arrangement therefore i am default victor over iarla. my record is now 1-0. anybody else want to take on the unbeaten one?
So, where can I read some logs? Is there a new log page? (besides Daywalkers)
I come here, and all I get are a bunch of people crying about how the mud sucks, or how they left it, or are going to leave it. If you've left, then why are you still commenting here? If you are going to leave, then do it already. Here because you're bored? Bored=boring; you may need a change.
If you still love the mud after being here for years, then keep loving it, and work to make it better.
Ok, Draimon. But I will only spring for Greyhound fare.
im challenging anybody on this log page to a RL fight. you name the location. 3 rounds. 5 mins each. 1 min break between rounds. if you think you are better than me at t2t i will fight you RL. if it involves a passport for me to leave the USA then you will have to pay for 1/2 of the air fare. same goes for locations in the USA more than 750 miles away from me. come one come all. if you want me to fight 2 at once say the word and it is done same goes for 3 and 4 but there's where it stops. if you wish for me to fight 5 of you cowards at once then you must pay full air fare. also i will not pay for hospital bills for damages that may have been inflicted to your feeble bodies. good day.
Either that, or you play singleplayer T2T and don't interact with other people. Those are your choices.
@Tireless: Ethics are for those who are not good at anything except speculating bullshit about the behaviour and actions of themselves and others. So, like, flame, or something, instead of bringing artsy bullshit into this comment section. :)
Kelos: Could have been 0 hp yeah! Was fun. :)
Sunflash: That makes me a christian minister then i suppose? :|
Norin, unless you treat T2T as a singleplayer game or are a fucking christian minister, eventually something you say will attract negative attention from Valinor.
I thought you had zero HPs, it was pretty damn close. Brubaker was pisssssssssed :)
You sure did Kelos. God i messed up there, and was just leaning back in my chair watching myself die... i had no clue what was going on when you stabbed Brubaker and i got away with [10?] hp or so. Owe you one there. ;)
I saved Norin's life once.
norin for president
Kinda like fucking your mom!
Killing bad people is a good thing!
Well said, Norin. Not that I actually read it or anything, kinda got bored after the first sentence. But I think I got the jist of it.
They didn't impede intention or conform to certain common egregious errors (eg there/their/they're, its/it's, your/you're) so I didn't say anything, and I liked the content.
...even if i had alot of typos there? ;)
I like Norin.
If you just lean back and play the game, it's not that bad Sunflash. You do not need to invoke the attention of Valinor at all. Just keep calm, follow the rules and have fun.
And eyah, i know you will tell me to shut the fuck up or something now, but really... it's not hard to enjoy t2t even with a supposedly useless and silly admin, evil and game-destroying herks, nerfing of your fav item, removal of that cool feature, etc.
Ive been around on t2t for more years than i care to count (13 or more?) and i have never gotten into any silly arguments (sober) with ainur. Sure some of them i do not like at all, but then i just avoid them and try not to talk or interact with them at all.
Believe it or not, ive been her for all those years and only got 1 warning ever. This was on some alt a few years ago for helping to kill a npc and storing the loot in another chars gh (without touching the actual item with the fighting alt). It was just a matter of me misunderstanding the rules, whining a bit about it to the PoL and accepting the punishment i got.
I find the endless banter about a single warning people get to be quite useless.
And i must say, seeing how people act when they get warnings, i understand why some ainu are so bitter and arrogant. I would crtainly be if i had to deal with that stuff for years and years.
And why do you all let other players, that are certanily a minority among the playerbase, get you all so damn worked up? Ive been allied and enemies with so called herks too at multiple occations. It's not that i really like them or anything, but again, they react and act accordingly to how you treat them. It's not that hard to carry a sensible conversation with these guys most of the time. Yes, even after you kill them or they killed you.
It's all about what you, yourself, make of it. It's about what you let the game become for you.
If you want to have shit talking and such (both with valinor and herks or whatever), by all means, you just go ahead and keep it up, but you know what you got yourself into, and you have to accept that shit will keep pouring on you. :)
Oh this got longer then i intended, and it was directed to nobody and anybody really.
Now, back to my morning coffee.
Thanks for listening. *giggle* /rant
Akhazir, the only real case that can be made in defense of capital punishment is the one advanced by Kant, and I don't buy it for a second. The only way Kantian ethics work is if you already know your conclusion and are trying to find a way to justify it. Bentham's utilitarianism or consequentialism are can be concluded in a much more academically ingenuous manner, and hold that capital punishment is a bad thing which might possibly be outweighed by a greater-good argument.
Executions kill people. Killing people is a bad thing.
Tireless, I don't know them that well. But the point is, until Aryl is actually gone, they will continue acting like the same shit. If they want to change their MO and ditch the fuck thats fine.
Love Sunflash.
Sunflash for PM.
I don't aptly observe anything. I spew raging hatred for most things.
Also, fuck T2T, ban them and speed up the death of that shithole. It's been bleeding out for years now, you can't clamp the artery, just let it die.
Oh, and fuck Mathias.
herks are the cancer of the mud. Ban them and nuke US so they can't are all dead for sure. Then Castamir can make TNT again and we'll rock the world.
Execution isn't evil.
There must be something about Herkimer and Herkimer players which I'm missing. I honestly can't get my head around why otherwise sensible players are calling for such ridiculous blunt punishments at a time when the MUD is in decline and we need all of the players we can get. It's beyond me.
A lot of people don't like the 'herks' (even if they'll concede that some aren't as bad as others, eg Cruice being more tolerable than Derk or something), so it makes sense that you'd be against them. However, I think that it's valuable to take a step back, put vitriol aside and look at the situation rationally. Bans are inherently a bad thing, in the same way that an execution is: While occasionally they are the lesser of two evils, they are always an evil. It's important to ask what individuals have done to justify such an action being taken before advocating it.
I have fought Ravathir more viciously and on a more ongoing basis than anyone in the game apart from maybe Brubaker, and I have also PKed (and not-PKed) on the same team as him. (For example, I was in Udungul with him and Daeril and fought a war against Durms at his side. Of course, we all know how that one ended, but the point is that I've been his friend and enemy over the course of time.) I don't mindlessly hate him.
Speaking objectively, Ravathir has not broken very many rules. (@'herks': Yes, he has broken some rules over the course of time. Don't deny it; it's ok. @Everyone else: He's cheated less than many celebrated members of the community by a pretty substantial margin!) He does not spew very much vitriol. (@'herks': He does talk trash sometimes. Again, it's ok. @Everyone else: There is a case to be made that he is unpleasant, but he certainly doesn't engage in long, obscene mud-slinging contests on the comm. Many celebrated members of the community do.)
More importantly than all of that: Every single behavior which can be categorized as objectionable which he demonstrates _vanished_ when Aryl was sitebanned (Post-Dofro). He was not only tolerable, he was a genuinely pleasant presence.
If you're going to advocate harsh, destructive measures, be careful to not accidentally include people who don't deserve it. Most of the arguments I've made in defense of Ravathir apply to the other 'herks' as well. In order to effect the change you desire you don't need to have Valinor go on a rampage and wipe out a segment of the population- you just need Valinor to enforce the rule of law.
Enforcing the rule of law entails not granting clemency (and, in fact, disproportionate protection) to people who have spent years actively seeking to subvert every rule by which the game is governed, particularly when such types of people actively display, as a point of pride, 'Making people get upset IRL over T2T since 02/13/01'.
I anticipate that those more personally invested in hating Ravathir et al than I am will counter this claim by saying that Ravathir did in fact cheat, or does in fact cheat, and will trot out a list of offenses of which he's guilty, or allegedly guilty, or say that my vision is impaired and that I can't see the big picture.
To the first response, the accusations which can be made against Ravathir are often acts of which the accuser (or friends of the accuser) are guilty. You can claim bug abuse -- but look at the facts: 'bugs' which Ravathir abused independently had in fact been reported to Valinor and Valinor had explicitly said they were ok to use. Moreover, their opponents had used them as well. Even Alkath had planned to use the alchemy potions. Of the questionable mechanics which he has used, only the cliffing incident was a clear instance of bug abuse, and that was instigated by Aryl, not him.
To the second response - that my vision is impaired or that I fail to see the big picture - I strenuously disagree. The more Valinor is forced to intervene in player affairs, the worse the situation. I believe this is something Sunflash has aptly observed on many occasions. Getting rid of players is absolutely bad for the game, so it's important to excise only the cancer, and not surrounding healthy tissue.
I don't often agree with Daywalker recently, but I do agree on one point, ban herkimer. You will see immediate positive effects, in fact make sure you ban stick aryl as well.
I like how Daywalker rephrased the exact thing I said to Burzhukh in a different comment section. Thanks for clearing that up I guess.
Pounder, you're still an idiot.
Daywalker is incoherent once again. He creates a logpage for the herkies and now wants 'em banned.
Wrong log?
p.s. Ban Herkimer again, only crap in there...
well cruice what i see that you will get a false report if he pleads, cause you are not a victim of attempt if u kill your target. So you are the one that is going to pay fines.
And I am glad you are still the same jerk :) Keep sucking.
*snorts8
this is idioticic
Pounder, do you actually still play? :)
Ah, I see. :P
just me and some domecheckas dawg
And Draimon, I didn't know many black people played this game. But awesome hearing that. :)
Sorry correction, hypocrite is not the correct terms. But he looks really stupid accusing someone of doing that and having one of his friends posting logs right after doing the exact same thing.
Tireless, I usually take your facts as facts, but this time you need to go read the logs again. http://logs.dyndns.dk/viewer.php/14479 was a pure solo in fact, at one point he was himself against 3 and managed to reseperate them and still kill Viker. So no, your last statement is riddled with issues. In addition to this, your reading comprehension (maybe because you don't have time or something) is slipping massively. My reference was not stating what was in Cruice's comment or that he thinks that all Kelevra has ever done was killin parties, it was addressing the fact that Cruice is a complete hyprocrite proven by the logs his friend immediately posted right after in which he needed a party attacking or at least present to feel land the attempts he did.
man some niggaz be bitter
Erm, I don't see how this would apply to such a claim.
Also, Cruice did not say that Kelevra needs backup in every log he has ever made -- he clearly meant that Kelevra needed backup in every log out of the four he had just posted, which is objectively true.
This was apparently done to answer Cruice's idiotic comment that only Kelevra needs multiple people to kill people in a log and then the 4 subsequent logs of Viker doing the exact same. :P
Obviously, Aryl's horrible lack of confidence in anything in life and the need to prove himself on the internet clearly has rubbed off a little.