This greedy dwarf had been in committing crimes against Mordor all night, but when he ran out of ep and faded off, the Udungul were there to dispense justice, Mordor style.
HP:210 EP:150> align dwarf
Dwarf is Immoral.
Dwarf is a dwarf.
HP:210 EP:141> ask dwarf about sauron
You ask Dwarf about sauron.
Dwarf says in Khuzdul: A great Lord! He has the right ideas, though his
methods may be
a little rough! These times demand stern lords!
Take that one Talan!
*chuckles
'Tolkien wrote so very little about them there's no proof either way.'
Funny, I've been pointing out a major point in Dwarven history (which could be useful RP for a very Evil dwarf) but it seems no one listens to me.
Well, there is not much written about dwarves compared to them silly elves, however with what has been written can be pretty conclusive. You just have to do the work and read it for yourself ;)
My whole argument is about ALL dwarves and I believe I have pointed the reason for the attack on the Lonely Mountain (therefore we are fighting for self-defense which everyone has the right to.) Still not partial to any side.
*Just trying to get the last word.
Josi, using the other 6 'houses' as proof doesnt mean anything, tolkien wrote so very little about them theres no proof either way.
However, he did write about erebor, and at the moment, i think even you can realize that the ereborian dwarves and thus the BKD are not:
'Not inclined to favor one party more than the other.'
Because one party is TRYING TO KILL THEM.
Hmm Delgaur...
Impartial is defined as the following:
'Not inclined to favor one party more than the other.'
Well the dwarves (and I mean ALL the 7 houses) satisfy this description nicely.
Someone please read what the dwarves did in the 'Last Alliance' and get back to me.
I agree with squibb when he says they are trying to do away with impartal guilds.
After all, Tolkiens world was very much good vs evil. Even the dwarfs were on the side of good. 100% moral, no..but they still the the moral thing when it matterd.
GF, Not a really bad thing at all.
Actually, i'm afraid of all the angry dwarves that will come after me because i killed Azmar in mordor. Thats it...Yeah.
Ouch, thats a good one josi.
I hibernated cause my x gf is in town, not really a bad thing, is it?
and you hibernated...
*chuckles
Weee, azmar still hasnt logged on and revived...hehe
*Coughs as he pulls his ace from the sleave
Read about what the dwarves did in the 'Last Alliance' and get back to me Talan.
Josi, the end result is the same. The dwarves are still against sauron, regardless of their reasons for being there. That makes them moral.
BLAH
So you can't beat me using Tolkien's own works...
Why the heck are you bringing up what a FEW people's interpretation of Tolkiens works to try and prove me wrong? Use hard fact sheesh.
Back to the siege, I've pointed before:
'Sauron wants the domination of everything. So he sends his Cannon-fodder this far north to complete his plans. Please note that he wants to dominate all of Arda and that has NOTHING to do with us being impartial Squibb.'
Please READ all my posts before you comment. I suggest you stop and say your wrong, you've proved nothing.
Josi, then why did the Ainur want us in that area to offset the Moral domination of the area which they felt was unthematic considering Erebor is besieged by EVIL forces. Hell, I asked for Osgiliath but they wanted us up there to offset the Beornings, BkD and Glorglas's Moral domination of the area.
Another thing, I'd suggest you shauddup on this and go with the 'Moral' side of it, you know you guys are, after all the ainur really want to do away with all impartial guilds.
Talan, Read the books again... (Sorry for being repeating myself)
'Josi, the reason you arent marching to save MT is because Erebor itself is besieged and you in fact cannot leave en masse for fear of being overrun.'
Stop thinking about Durin's House. There are 7 houses of Dwarves and we have other communities besides Erebor, for Example the Iron Hills. They could raise an army but because of the sapping of our strength from the War of Orcs and Dwarves; it would take a lot of time to do which we obviously don't have.
'However, the dwarves did send Gimli with the fellowship of the ring, because one dwarf could be spared.'
Gimli volunteered to go on the fellowship. He was at Rivendell with a party for the council. If remember correctly, '9 walkers against the 9 Riders' 'Represent all the free peoples' Gimli son of Gloin had a duty to protect or help Frodo. Considering Bilbo was a hero and friend of Dwarves. It would be our duty in someway to aid him or whoever is related to him.
Back the to the main point. None of this has anything to do to disprove my point how we are impartial. (Stop sticking to Durin's house and look at all Dwarves which my whole argument is based upon.)
Josi, the reason you arent marching to save MT is because Erebor itself is besieged and you in fact cannot leave en masse for fear of being overrun. However, the dwarves did send Gimli with the fellowship of the ring, because one dwarf could be spared. How more against sauron can you be?
Hmm
He has armies coming because if I remember correctly King Dain refuse to share the location of a friendly little hobbit that went by the name of Baggins to Sauron's Emissary. Aye we are impartial, do you see us marching armies down to save Minas Tirith? We are true always to our friends, hence Baggins location was never shared from us Khazads.
Sauron wants the domination of everything. So he sends his Cannon-fodder this far north to complete his plans. Please note that he wants to dominate all of Arda and that has NOTHING to do with us being impartial Squibb.
Correction, if you arent with Sauron and don't serve a purpose, then your against him.
Shelob is around because she serves a purpose to him, and that is to effectively block of a route into Mordor(except maybe on our MUD).
You Dwarves are impartial? is that why he has armies trying to strom erebor?
Squibb, read the books again
'Then why is Erebor under seige? If you aren't with Sauron, your against him. If your against him, your moral.'
A Horrible Image suddenly comes to my mind of a giant Spider, She isn't with Sauron so that means shes moral? Sorry to say Squibb your logic is flawed...
BkD if properly played is pretty damn impartial. When I think of dwarves (BkD that is) , I think of them almost as immoral. That is because they dont give a fuck about anyone but themselves, they are a very tight nit group. They merely want to be the best, have the most, be the strongest, be the bravest, be the best warriors, etc. If I was in BkD and someone looked at one of my 'brothers' funny, they would be dead. Thats just what I think about BkD. Oh and BkD use to have a lot of members pretty damn closely aligned with FRA. And by my earlier reasoning this is ok. I still laugh whenever I see a dwarf in valacirca. CoU got removed due to having to many dwarves. Well VCs have dwarves which is way more whack then dwarven pirates. Oh and durmanhoth is certainly immoral, maybe villanous. They are paid to kill people. Killing people is wrong, no matter who it is. You kill an orc you are still taking its life. Think of its little orky children (or whatever). Oh and mordor. Heck, you attack me in mordor, out of mordor, look at me funny, etc I'll prolly kill you cause I'm bored. Yes, my roleplay currently is I'm bored and the only thing interesting in this game left is chopping off people's heads. heck I even thought about killing amruin and the like if they attacked me when I was killing stuff in edoras. (after typing stop of course, not by hunting in rp combat). But then I'd run out of money and my fines would be high etc etc. Blah, whatever. I'm bored and at school and have nothing better todo then ramble.
I only quoted what I had heard. Someone, Sime I guess, had quoted you on the board as saying that it was because we were at war anyways. I don't remember a lot but I'm sure of that, because we were laughing at it.
First off, don't try and put words into my mouth I didn't say, Jasumin. I didn't steal the whip from
Sime way back because he was a Meg and we already had bad relations with them at the time,
but because he got the whip, and was drunk off his ass. I would have done the same to my own
mother if she had pulled such a stunt off. It was not ment to provoke a war, but did end up
becomming one because of those shaky relations we had at the time.
As for defending Mordor, I am tired of having to explain it over and over again to those thick ones.
Way back when SoU first officially instituted the regulation of actively pk'ing people who killed in
Mordor when Garic was GM, it was new, and many people had a hard time understanding it and
therefore seeing it as us trying to further our RP. It's kinda ironic that the Megs/Udungul have now
adopted the same procedure, considering that they were one of a couple that gave us a the most
headaches about it, but I am glad to see more people accept such actions in Mordor now.
Mordor is Mordor. It's suppose to be dangerous and deadly. When you pass the gates alife we
want your heart to race, and your hands to sweat. If you make it out alife, you will feel much more
accomplished, if not, you were unlucky and met your well deserved doom for thinking that it's a
place where you can hold your 1 o'clock tea time. It's all about making it more thematical. But it's
understandable, that people still see it as just 'pk'ing' and not 'rp'ing' since it's lawless, and
therefore retaliate accordingly. Such was expected, but hopefully now the odds are a lil evened
out more where it used to be 'SoU vs. other' to '3/4 guilds vs. other', which may make the future
a bit more exciting for us all.
'The truth is, bkd is impartial. Dwarves are impartial.'
Then why is Erebor under seige? If you aren't with Sauron, your against him. If your against him, your moral.
Maybe people should start distinguishing between Moral and HoE when talking about guild aligns. As SoU is shadowspawn and CoU at best Villainous, where Durmanhoth probably falls under Immoral.
Bkd-moral Rimsilval-moral/heroic Amruin-Angelic VC-HoE KoDA-HoE
These are not all of the guilds I know but just sort of a summary of my views on many of them based on personal observation.
The only time i would 'talk about bad rp' is when i am hunted out of RP combat. Thats cheap. If you're pking, fine, pk, if your RPing, abide by the Rping rules that have been agreed upon at the time.
And why did Gothwin steal the whip, praytell? Oh, because in her words:'We are at war anyways.'
Why did she believe we were at war?, because guild-relations between Meglivornth and SoU had broken down due to them pking our members in Mordor, but you're right, we hadn't officially been at war yet until she stole the whip.
Or was there two wars with SoU? Geez, we were involved in quite a few in the 4 years I was there, I can't remember the causes of all of them. I do remember SoU pking our members in Mordor under the guise of RP had Ari looking to take retaliatory actions at one time.
And of course, I'd expect you to respond in kind if someone killed you outside of Mordor for you pking them inside Mordor. Just don't talk about bad RP or whatever.
Uhm..no.
We went to war with SoU because Gothwin stole the whip from Sime.
Besides that, your post was pretty much common sense. Of course, if we pk you in mordor, you're going to try to pk us in mordor.
If a guild wanted to pk us outside of mordor for our rping inside mordor, hey, thats fine too, but we'll respond in kind.
Ok, I have TWO things to add here.
BkD is impartial? What the Hell is that? Was BkD not the guild that complained about the Meglivornth because they were all impartial and should take a side..blah blah blah. Now that the goal of killing the guild is achieved, 'oh, we're impartial.'...yeah, ok.
Secondly as for who complained when SoU was PK/RPing in Mordor, the Meglivornth did, in fact we went to war with them just because of their PKs in mordor disguised as RP.
Ok, so I lied, one more thing. I think it's fine to pk in Mordor and call it RP, but don't be surprised when the people you pk in Mordor start hunting you back when you're defending and -they- have the advantage.
Unrestricted pk/RP in Mordor is perfectly fair and all, but don't be surprised when the other guilds decide to pk you because of it. (Inside or Outside Mordor.)
Of course, none of this is my business, as guild-relations don't affect me, due to well...not being in a guild. (and of course the BkD is gonna disagree with my first statement, but anyone who witnessed how hard their GMs have fought over the last few years to get Meglivornth removed because they didn't choose a side in the war, will know exactly what I'm talking about.)
-Jas
Gazza, no evil guilds offered alliance to you because theres no way in hell you'd have accepted alliance with them, and they didnt want to ally with their enemies.
The truth is, bkd is impartial. Dwarves are impartial. But, at the moment, we are surrounded by the forces of evil, whitch leads to a majority of moral dwarves in the guild. But then, before we were surrounded by the forces of Sauron.. i recall some freaky elves crawling in front of our mountain. Dwarves dont give a flying shit about the rest of the world, we are happy when we keep our treasures safe. And well, that is like what i call impartiality.
1) Thanks for the compliment Wasach :-)
2) Rimsilval being allied to moral guilds isn't a reason to proclaim them as moral. To my knowledge no evil guilds have offered themselves as allies to us. Moral guilds have. Therefore we accepted. If an evil guild ever offered to be allied with us, it would be given serious thought. Anything else would conflict with our 'impartial' statement.
3) The last durm war was almost definitely the last conflict in which you see Rimsilval and Valacirca 'supporting each other'.
4) Notice how we're not getting involved in this BkD-Udungul war going on.
in my personal opinion guild alliances are a pain in the ass that cause more trouble than good :-p
Ugh, sorry...I just got spammed by all the stupidity contained by that last bashgeroy post and I automatically blocked some of it out. (hey, dont make fun of me, its a valuable skill sometimes)
BKD was already included in his moral guild list, so disregard what i said about them.
Well, I dont really know why i did it, but i did..I read one of bashgeroy's comments on the log archive. :(
Anyway, now i feel i have to respond.
'About moral and immoral guilds - if we take the most common alignment in a guild, the guilds really can be divided into 2 groups.On the moral side Valacirca, KoDA, Glorglas, Beornings, BKD, Amruin.
Megs, durms, SoU, Varas, CoU, FRA on the immoral side. '
Uh, first off, wtf guild is varas? If you're trying to refer to the thieves guild by its secret name, you're just making yourself look dumb. Second, they may have an evil tint to them, but they do not act cohesively as a guild. If you're going to claim they are evil, then you have to claim mirdain is moral too. They are exact opposites.
Second, Durms arent evil, they kill everything, thus they are impartial.
Third, FRA is not evil, they kill everything thus they are impartial.
Fourth, Meglivornth does not exist any more.
Fifth, if you're going to include durms and FRA as immoral, you have to include BKD and Rimsilval as moral, because rimsilval and bkd always side with vc and amruin in any conflict.
Lastly, who cares if you think rimsilval are the most goodhearted people, you're obviously biased, and its pointless to argue whos the most goodhearted.
Oh, and in response to your brilliant 'find spartan' argument....Try reading hectan's post again.
He said IF you found a durm alone in mordor, not, we always go to mordor alone...jesus.
Shut up, Hectan.
find spartan - CU
find arthlor - CU
find klouse - CU
find tarn - CU
That's alone?Sure.
Elves and dwarves hate each other actually.People here divide Arda into 'moral' and 'immoral' and these two definitions are too general and don't reflect the attitude of the different races and peoples towards each other.
About moral and immoral guilds - if we take the most common alignment in a guild, the guilds really can be divided into 2 groups.On the moral side Valacirca, KoDA, Glorglas, Beornings, BKD, Amruin.
Megs, durms, SoU, Varas, CoU, FRA on the immoral side.
The rimmies and the Mirdain are very impartial.
What is interesting is that guilds like Meglivornth (who is supposed to be impartial) and Durmanhoth have done much more for Sauron's cause than the SoU for example.
This doesn't mean that guilds from the 'moral' side don't fight each other sometimes.There are many alliances between 'morals' and 'immorals' too.
The concept of 'morality' is not very clear too.Many 'morals' act like real pricks sometimes (me too).Others have just chosen the side and hide behind 'moral' reasons to slaughter.
Killing evil doesn't make you good.You won't be any different from the evils, just the side on which you fight is different.Example - KoDA.
Hmm, for me the most 'goodhearted' people are the rimmies - they can resist the primal desire to finish off the fallen enemy and have a more philosophic view on life in general.
The durms on the contrary aim to piss people.
First off Hectan, that made no sense whatsoever, Durmanhoth have no RP at all. And I really can't think of one decent assassin that would need more then one friend to nail a durmanhoth member.
I seem to remember something about 'Impartial or greater' alignment for BkD members. On another note, what are you moral guys bitching about with the whole Mordor thing? If you ran a find on a Durmanhoth member in Mordor and then ran subsequent finds on every immoral person online and found that the Durmanhoth member was in there alone and you had 5 people to kill them with(because you're big pussies BkD excluded), you damn well know you would go in there to kill them. When a target is found in Mordor, you go after them and hunt, not because of RP, but because that's what Mordor is for. If you pussies are going to whine about hunting in Mordor, you don't even deserve to have an opinion, let alone post it for me to read.
Uh..BKD is impartial?? wtf?
That makes no sense to me whatsoever.
I had no idea.
I guess the count is 3-5 then. But its totally irrelevant anyway. Fairness doesnt matter, remember?
BkD is a impartial guild if you haven't noticed.
If you're going to call the BKD and Beornings moral guilds, you might as well call the durms and FRA immoral guilds. And Rimsilval also moral.
So actually it would be 7:5 in your weird logic.
Talan, name all 6 moral guilds, I can only think of maybe 4.
You call having Six Moral guilds and three Evil guilds fair?
Fairness arguments never have and never will work in arda. War is not fair.
well, we could just make it totally fair and level the playing field...
In Mordor, everyone in an immoral Guild can hunt and pK to their hearts desire in Mordor and CU since they are RPing a defense of Mordor.
Outside of Mordor, everyone in an immoral Guild is not allowed to hunt and pK, or report when they are attacked under RP.
In Mordor, everyone from moral Guilds will consider themselves huntable and pKable under RP.
Outside of Mordor, everyone from moral Guilds are allowed to hunt and pK during RP combat and the immoral person cannot report, since that would be unrealistic.
If evil want's to hunt during RP in Mordor then morals should be allowed to hunt during RP in the free areas. No moral's should be hunting during RP in Mordor and no evil's can hunt during RP in free Arda.
In actuality, we defend mordor according to the precedent set by the SoU. They use conventional rp tactics outside mordor, and pk inside mordor. We are just following their lead, and no one complained about it when they did it, so why us?
Udungul, you are a bunch of hipocrite bitches. You killed one of our members for 'hunting in RP' yet they do it in mordor. If you're going to do it like that, you might as well stop bullshitting around and pick one side. Either you RP all the time and killed him because he hunted you period. Or don't hunt when you 'RP' in Mordor.
If they want to defend a lawless area, they can, its simple.
a) create and evil char
b) get some skill
c) apply to Udungul, SoU or Durmanhoth
Yeah, real easy for a guild to defend an area when it's LAWLESS!
Amruin and VC have been begging for it for years... but that's why I love you guys. You're evil bastards :)
Spartan, you black now? :P just messin
*hollas at Squibb* Props
hehe val.. you should check out my ftp site.. i just downloaded 1.2 gb in 3 hours :)
Val, url? :P
I also wouldn't take that bet :P
I won't bet against that, Ketan.
He was downloading the porn from me (porn with me in it). Nasty, eh?
I've got 200 gold that says Vallejo was downloading porn. Any takers?
On a side note, I just finished downloading a 200mb movie clip that only took me 26 hours :))))))
First off let me just say this, I hate Talan and his super-fast-commands-go-in-the-same-room connection, little bastard was getting his commands in in the room during a travel alias, look at my logs and see how long it takes for my commands to go through. Nice kill by the way, Talan should be the assassin and Squibb should be the asshole sheriff :P
Hmm...funny I seem to remember rejecting Azmar's application to Bkd back in the day. Nice kill though for once. Just don't complain about people hunting you during RP next time.
uh yeah you are allowed to run into mordor and pk undungal (or whatever) or anyone else unless they are your friends/allies (but you can kill them too). cause mordor is just fun like that, unfortunatley you cant just walk in there like you could back in the ole days (like a month ago)
Mordor was created to be a haven for free PK. That's why it's dangerous. This is how it should be! I see nothing wrong with the Undungul differing their RP policies for Mordor and the free lands.
Well, if Udungul seem to think it's acceptable to RP in a PK-mad style, then I suppose they can't really object to other people pkilling them in Mordor without provocation.
Something to think about, there.
Mordor is mordor
I forgot to mention...I was referring to hunting down people in RP...
Props to you guys...Nice kill
Hmm...This greedy dwarf had been in committing crimes against Mordor all night, but when he ran out of ep and faded off, the Udungul were there to dispense justice, Mordor style.
->Committing crimes against Mordor ? Is Udungul protecting Mordor and kills Azmar in favour of RP ? I mean if Mordor is one of the places Udungul protects...shouldn't its RP rules extend to Mordor as well...if not,what's the difference between Udungul being a blood-thirsty group who just uses the excuse of protecting Mordor to kill ?
Just my two cents...
*picks on his easy-to-kill NPCs calmly and happily*
Allmost as cold and calculating as me. Death to your foe! Hunt him wherever he'll go. Slaughter your way to extatic adrenaline-pumping experiences. *twitch* *pulls his hair* *snickers insanely* ->Blood-soaked Lyrcor<-
Props for Talan
Squibb hadda bout 9ep left when he finished Azmar off.. Mebbe cuz I'm nottan assassin it only looks close to me *shrugs*
I HATE watchin my brothers die while I cant't do nuthin about it.. : (
Very close at the end there Squibb. Too bad fer Azmar you still hadda nuff ep to hunt.
This is ANOTHER case of Azmar trying to escape death by dishonorable actions. Notice how he tried to disconnect or go net dead before he died, happened right after i got deathblow to try and keep from dying. Last time right before he joined BkD he did an hb/quit in mordor, left all his gear for me like a nice pup although cheated death *grumble* I told BkD he did this but they took him anyhow, looks like hes still at it, but this time bringing down the name and honor of the BkD along with himself.
Very very nice kill
Since everybody else refuses to say it I will. Nice kill guys.